This will be my last post on the subject because some people don't understand that I'm only trying to convey that you don't need 800 dollar nearfield monitors that come from a professional studio in order to enjoy the sounds coming out of your K3. Yes, the NS10's and the Tanoy speakers require more drive in order to make them sound good. This is EXACTLY why I said that using them with the K3 as they are makes them a BAD choice for the reasons that I stated. They don't sound good. When someone asks "how do Nearfield monitors/speakers" sound on the K3 I think Professional speakers hooked up to the K3, not consumer hi fidelity speakers. I'm sorry but if you know anything about the NS10's you should know that those speakers have a 2 kHz bump of + 5 dB and low frequency drop starting at 200 Hz they “open” the frequency range with a midrange-based response that exposes the most problematic and worst-sounding frequencies. In your consumer hi-fi, the EQ preset that makes most music sound “better” (”Loudness”, “Rock”) is exactly the NS-10 frequency response, flipped upside down… Perfect for monitoring, but fail (as you said) under low voltages. A flat response from a set of speakers would NOT be ideal to most people. Consumers are used to hearing their audio "colored", with EQ, Like they do out of their home stereos and car radios with their 6 speaker systems and separate sub woofer systems. If you were to have a perfect flat response speaker and put someone in front of them you would probably get the reaction from them that they sound "dull", or too bright/crisp (assuming the top end 8-20KHz could actually be flat). You missed my point about "cheap" speakers.. I didn't say that they had limited freq. range.. I said that they tend to accentuate the freq. that the K3 has to offer (not attenuate). As in they bump the 1.5KHz voice portion, and 300 to 500 Hz CW areas. Exactly what people want to hear when listening to a communications radio. Cheap speakers, and I'm not talking about 10 dollar computer speakers.. You people don't always have to be so literal... aren't what I was talking about. I was referring to Cheap speakers as in 30 to 100 dollar speakers would be more than enough to enjoy all that the K3 has to offer. There's just no need to put Hi fidelity speakers on the K3, with or without an outboard amp.. I'm sorry... CW just isn't going to sound any better from a 1000 dollar speaker. SSB may, but why bother? (man I almost said it's just glorified CB radio anyway... I'm glad I didn't do that, the flames would have never stopped) There comes a point where a 100 dollar speaker will sound just as good as a 1000 dollar speaker. Besides, most people could never hear the difference if they were given the opportunity. If it were up to me, I would just go out and get a really nice pair of headphones if you really want good sound when it comes to SSB. I'm sorry, but I'm just trying to be practical here... I wish some of you would try to be from time to time too. Nuf said.. No need to respond.... We'll just have to agree to disagree. > Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 18:21:29 -0700 > From: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Nearfield monitors > > On 10/27/2010 5:30 PM, The Smiths wrote: > > and when you put a cheap speaker on it it tends to accentuate the freq. > > that the radio was made to deliver... 100Hz through 4KHz (if that). > > Nope. The problem with cheap speakers is NOT limited frequency response, > it is BUMPY frequency response, which makes it harder to copy both > speech and CW. I know -- I've MEASURED a bunch of cheap speakers, and > that's what they look like, and it's how they sound. I've got good, near > field speakers hooked up to my K3 (main and sub-rx). > > > My point was plain and simple, the NS10's which are probably one of the > > worlds foremost nearfield monitors used in the studio environment don't > > sound good using only the K3 to drive them, neither do the Tanoy's (yet > > another VERY popular nearfield monitor used in professional studios). > > The shortcoming of most small speakers, including the ones you cited, > is that they have POOR VOLTAGE SENSITIVITY, meaning that it takes more > voltage to drive them than the K3 is designed to deliver. They are > designed to be driven by big power amps, not the low power chip used in > the K3, so the K3 doesn't have enough voltage headroom for them I > suspect that it is this is at the root of your dissatisfaction with your > studio monitors. But Don is entirely correct that the ideal loudspeaker > for a ham rig is one that has FLAT response in the speech range, and has > good polar response (that is, the response remains the same as you move > around in front of it. The fact that it has good low end or high end > does not matter -- it's neither a plus nor a minus. > > 73, Jim Brown K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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