I haven't had lots of different tuners to compare myself, but I do have a Johnson KW Matchbox tuner. It does a great job on Balanced lines. I didn't really know about the Palastar but just checked it out on the website. Looked like an interesting tuner. But to me the downside of it was that there is a balun on the output, which of course as Don stated is a dominating factor in losses in a tuner (at least maybe that is what I took away from his comments as well as other discussions on this subject in the past). Is there a modern tuner out there for balanced lines that doesn't use a balun? Maybe the proper comparison for more apples to apples comparison should be made for tuners that are designed for type of feedline output or maybe Hi-Z vs Lo-Z, as most today, including the Elecraft, are likely moreso designed not for balanced line output and Hi-Z but coaxial output and Lo-Z. Sure, many tuners may also have a balanced line output option, but that is likely there as a convenience or for marketing or whatever but is really just added on as compared to the overall tuner being designed for Hi-Z and balanced output. While I like my Johnson KW tuner for certain antennas I may opt for some other tuner for other types of antennas. The type of tuner should be considered as a whole in the antenna system, not as a one size fits all solution (unless there is a tuner out there that really can do both ends of the spectrum equally well). When I first started getting back into QRP just over one year ago I had my RockMite-40 sitting on top of the Johnson KW Matchbox. It was going to a resonant antenna and didn't go through the tuner. Even though the Matchbox is supposedly a low loss antenna tuner it did seem like there was something just wrong about using it with a QRP rig, maybe like some sort of sacralidge in its own way, but maybe that is just me. Maybe the purist would say that only resonant antennas should be used so a tuner is not needed. Okay, that makes some sense, but maybe I can get an antenna with better overall performance than the extra losses involved when using a tuner. Again, the whole systems needs to be evaluated an not just individual parts of a system. If individual parts are selected because they are the best but when put together they don't work so well collectively it doesn't seem like a good solution. Maybe a tuner with more versatility even if it has slightly higher losses is a better solution for the next ham who doesn't use just one antenna at a fixed location all the time. Certainly as QRPers we are all aware that antenna systems are quite important and band conditions really dominate how well we can communicate. But really, given good band conditions and being able to somehow get some signal to something to radiate things will result in being able to communicate. I just installed the KAT2 in my K2 and am amazed at how fast it tunes. I haven't tried it with a variety of different antenna configurations, so I can't comment much on its verstatility. Unfortunately I'm not currently using my balanced feedline antenna anymore due to a change in QTH and a temporary hamshack setup, but the KAT2 seems to suit my needs for now. If anything, at this time the Matchbox at least still looks quite respectable sitting on the bench (farther away from the K2 than when I had the RockMite sitting on top of the Matchbox, HI! HI!).

I hope my late night ramblings make some sense.  Sorry if they don't.

Mark, NK8Q
K2 4876

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