Johnny, look forward to seeing you at Dayton at either the Elecraft booth or 
with Adam.

I also find the NR on my K3 not to be one of the better ones but it is useable 
for me at only the very least aggressive setting. Hey! With the Icom you don't 
want to go past 10:30 or 11:00 o'clock because it becomes too aggressive.


73 de KE4WY Jim   

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From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Johnny Siu
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:01 AM
To: Bill W4ZV; [email protected]
Subject: [Elecraft] K-3 Noise Reduction

Hello Bill,
 
I trust Elecraft engineers have already listened to some elecrafters' comments 
as compared with the NR in Icom radios. Elecraft will find ways to improve the 
NR by regular firmware updates.
 
I have no further to add but do suggest elecrafters try the NR in the latest 
IC9100 if you are going to Dayton.  You will notice it is a further improvement 
in NR in IC9100 when compared with their big radios especially in SSB.  
 
I am going to wear my callsign / name badge in Dayton.  I trust there will not 
be too many Asian faces there and you can easily identify me.  Of course, I 
will definitely visit the Elecraft booth.
 
See you later!

TNX & 73,


Johnny VR2XMC

從︰ Bill W4ZV <[email protected]>
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主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] K-3 Noise Reduction


KK7P wrote:
> 
> In the end, NR is a filter, and like any filter it will affect what is 
> being passed through it.  The weaker the signal, the more it appears 
> like noise and the harder it is to separate the two.
> 

This is why some of us use a relatively wide DSP filter (4-500 Hz) when 
listening to ultra weak CW signals...so our brain's DSP can do a better job of 
separating the signal from noise.  If you have an extremely narrow DSP filter 
(either set by WIDTH or NR), noise going through that filter can cause ringing 
which interferes with the signal.  Some of you may have noticed the same effect 
with APF.  

I never use NR because it's essentially doing doing the same thing as reducing 
WIDTH.  However I do find APF can help in some cases (again with a fairly wide 
WIDTH setting) but it appears to be more effective in impulsive noise (i.e. 
lightning induced) rather than white noise (i.e. galactic noise).  That's the 
opposite of what I expected but that's how it works for me.

As Lyle said:

> Finally, NR is part of a general field of psychoacoustics.  What some
people like, others barely tolerate.  Somewhat like tastes in music... 

Each must experiment to see what works best for your own brain/ears.

73,  Bill
 

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