And I, for one, am so glad that there are those around that "buy the Qs" ...because that just gives me that much more satisfaction, when I blow past them,in a contest, a pileup, or what have you.... not being mean.. but it does give me just a little bit of a thrill, when my "cost per Q" is immeasurably less!But my "Thrill per Q" is so immeasurably MORE!!
--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:51:17 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > CC: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 > > Joe, > > I support and applaud your position. > There are those who will support "contacts at any cost", and that is > just not ham radio to me - if you can buy contacts for dollars (or > pounds or pesos), then it is no longer ham radio. > One of the main rules of ham radio for me is the "no pecuniary interest" > rule. That says to me that ham radio is all about sharing, and not for > personal gain. When we begin to talk about "stations for hire", that is > when my interest wanes. Many of us take pride in our stations and our > operating skills, and strive to improve on our previous 'score' in the > same contest from last year. We do not all have to be "top dogs" in > order to have satisfaction. > This is a hobby, enjoy it in what ever way you are able - there are > many, many facets, and you do not have to excel in all of them - pick > what appeals to you and 'just do it'. > > If HOAs restrict you to attic antennas, so be it, you can still work > DXCC with that attic antenna, and be rightfully proud of your > accomplishment. Sure, you will not do it in a weekend like those with > monster antennas and 1.5kW transmitters, but you can still do it and > stand proud of your accomplishment. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 1/16/2012 8:33 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > Joe said it "smells" and I'm just really curious why. > > > > You misquote me ... I said that argument that remote operation was a > > necessary answer to HOAs/other antenna restrictions and the only way > > to get on the air did not pass the smell test. > > > > As far as I am concerned, remote operation changes the character of > > amateur radio from over the air "amateur radio" to "landline based > > commercial communication" at least in part. When the operator is not > > present at the station (transmitting/receiving site) the "radio" part > > of the communications path can become infinitesimal - nothing more > > than a hand-held link to the nearest access point. > > > > That eliminates everything that makes amateur radio unique. Taking > > that one step further ... if the mode is digital, one might as well > > be using keyboard chat on the internet. > > > > In my career as an amateur I've seen repeaters go from something > > built in the garage/shack to multi-site, statewide linked, trunked > > communications systems. I have watched packet radio go from a random > > network of individual stations to nothing more than the equivalent of > > wireless access points linked by commercial wired networks (internet). > > > > I don't want to see HF devolve to the point that "amateurs" will need > > to pay for membership in and access to a series of "mega stations" in > > northeast Maine, southern Florida, northwest Washington and southern > > California to have the best shot at DX ... or even worse Radio Arcla > > class facilities all over the world just to be able to "chat" with > > any amateur, anywhere without regard to propagation, local conditions > > and time of day. > > > > I've already seen evidence of individuals working a DX contest from > > KP2 or other locations in the Caribbean while setting at home in New > > York or Boston or San Francisco, etc. I'd rather *never* work a P5 > > than "work" someone operating a multi-band remote transmitter located > > on the roof of a PyongYang hotel (or cell-phone factory) with operators > > in Oakland, Atlanta, London, Berlin and Helsinki. > > > > Is remote technology "fun"? Is it an engineering challenge? Yes. > > Is it appropriate for amateur radio? Not in my book (even though > > that opinion may be contrary to my own bank account before long)! > > > > Remote operation/remote technology offers a huge opportunity for > > regulators and those commercial interests (primarily messaging > > and remote sensing companies) who would like to acquire amateur > > spectrum to argue that "amateur radio" can be accommodated entirely > > on-line rather than continue to occupy more than 15% of the spectrum > > below 30 MHz. > > > > 73, > > > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > > > On 1/16/2012 7:11 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > >> Although I've never had to deal with an HOA, I lived for thirty years in > >> a neighborhood that "frowned" upon any kind of tower, and the lot was > >> small enough that I didn't want one to dominate everything anyway. I > >> worked over 300 countries with simple homebrew verticals and had lots of > >> fun doing so, but for you or anyone else to tell me that I should just > >> be content to live with those restrictions is beyond your pay grade. > >> > >> Antenna restrictions are not the only limitation some folks have to live > >> with. Local QRN can be a real issue for some, and trust me ... it is a > >> LOT more fun to be able to hear stations than it is not to hear them. > >> Ask any contester how much fun it is to endlessly call stations only to > >> have most of your RF end up as heat loss in the ground or a nearby > >> building. > >> > >> I now have a tower with excellent antennas on a nice hillside lot. Very > >> few people get to enjoy what I experience during a contest, where I can > >> run a frequency for hours and not have to rely solely on S&P. Remote > >> operation potentially gives some folks that opportunity and I can't see > >> a thing wrong with it. Joe said it "smells" and I'm just really > >> curious why. > >> > >> Dave AB7E > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 1/16/2012 4:27 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > >>> I will guess that Joe is suggesting that remote operation should not be > >>> needed to enjoy ham radio from any location. Maybe, I am just guessing. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jan 16, 2012, at 3:25 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > >>> > >>>> So ... what exactly about that "smells"? You figure they're trying to > >>>> cheat in some way? What else would you have against somebody doing that? > >>>> > >>>> Dave AB7E > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 1/16/2012 2:09 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >>>>>> I have thought for many years that it would be a great feature if a > >>>>>> radio club could set up a super station and offer remote access to its > >>>>>> apartment-bound members. > >>>>> I keep hearing this - and the "HOA limitation" - as justification for > >>>>> remote operation. As far as I'm concerned both just don't "pass the > >>>>> smell test." > >>>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>>> Elecraft mailing list > >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>>> Post: mailto:[email protected] > >>>> > >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:[email protected] > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[email protected] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
