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"Amateur Radio (G3TXQ) - Tuner Balun: 4:1 or 1:1 ?

Follow the discussions on any Internet Ham Radio forum and it wont be long
before someone recommends the use of a 4:1 balun at the output of a tuner
feeding a multiband doublet through ladderline. Often the recommendation is
accompanied by an explanation such as: "It helps the tuner to tune" or: "It
reduces the impedance of the 450 ohm ladderline towards 50Ω". This article
examines whether the ubiquitous advice to use a 4:1 balun in this scenario
is valid.

The arguments put forward for a 4:1 impedance transformation often assume
that the tuner works best when operating with a load impedance close to 50Ω.
That simply isn't true! The chart on the right shows the losses vs load
resistance of a typical T-network tuner on 80m for several values of load
reactance; 80m was chosen because losses tend to be more evident on the
lower-frequency bands. As we can see the lowest tuner losses occur when the
load resistance is in the medium/high range 250Ω-2500Ω; the highest losses
occur at low load resistances, particularly where they are accompanied by a
large capacitive reactance.

Let's now take the example of a commonly proposed multiband doublet - a
half-wave 80m dipole fed with 450Ω ladderline. At modest heights above
average ground the dipole has a feedpoint impedance close to 50Ω. That means
that the impedance seen at the tuner end of the ladderline could have a
resistive component anywhere from 50Ω to 4050Ω depending on ladderline
length; that range of impedances is indicated by the lower shaded bar in the
chart, labelled 1:1. If we now introduce a 4:1 impedance transformation, the
range of impedances will be lower by a factor of 4 as indicated by the upper
shaded bar labelled 4:1. It's clear that the 1:1 range of impedances will
result in the lower overall losses.

In fact, no matter what the antenna impedance, the range of impedances seen
at the tuner end of the ladderline would have a "geometric mean" of 450Ω -
that is they would swing equally below and above 450Ω, but once we introduce
a 4:1 balun the geometric mean will reduce to 112.5Ω. One look at the loss
chart tells you that centering the impedances at the higher value is the
preferable option.


Let's now take a look at the specific losses that would occur with our
example 132 doublet fed with 450Ω ladderline.

The chart on the right was produced by varying the feedline length from 0°
to 180° in 10° steps. At each step the impedance seen by the tuner was
calculated both with a 1:1 balun and then with a 4:1 balun, and the tuner
losses determined using W9CF's T-network tuner simulator. Of course, beyond
180° the chart simply repeats itself. Ladderline losses were ignored.

Apart from a small range of line lengths between 80° and 115°, where the
line has transformed the 50Ω feedpoint impedance to a very high value around
4000Ω, the 1:1 balun is the better option; not only that, the worst case
loss never exceeds 14% with the 1:1 balun whereas it reaches 21% with the
4:1 balun.

But what about other bands - the doublet wont be used on just 80m!


This chart shows the tuner loss plotted against line length for our example
doublet on 40m. Here the doublet feedpoint impedance is around 4000Ω, so for
short ladderline lengths the 4:1 balun shows an advantage. However, as the
ladderline length increases and the impedance is transformed to lower
values, the 1:1 balun soon shows the lower losses again. Across the whole
range of ladderline lengths the 1:1 balun is twice as likely as the 4:1 to
produce lower losses.

The conclusion seems clear: if you have to choose just one balun, unless you
know that your combination of doublet/ladderline length falls into the
minority of cases where a 4:1 balun has the advantage, a 1:1 balun is the
preferred choice. Add into the mix the fact that most 4:1 baluns are Voltage
Baluns, whereas to prevent feedline radiation we want balanced currents;
then consider that all baluns other than a 1:1 Current Balun have the full
transmit voltage applied common-mode across one or more windings, and the
case is compelling for a 1:1 Current Balun in this situation.

In this application any small impedance transformation caused by the Current
Balun is immaterial because the tuner will compensate, so the windings do
not need to be of any specific characteristic impedance. Typically, bifilar
windings using Thermaleze wire inserted in Teflon tubes are employed to cope
with the high differential-mode voltages present at current minima. Balun
specialists "Balun Designs" offer a nice example in their Model 1171.
 "

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian [mailto:vk4...@bigpond.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2012 9:34 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Balanced solution for KAT500 tuner?

A UK G call did a graphed efficiency comparison test with the 1:1 coming out
on top. I will post it when re-found.

Also from
http://www.theladderline.com/doublets-ladder-line-and-automatic-remote-tuner
s  ; (spell-checked)

"There is also some debate about whether the balun should be a 1:1 or 4:1. I
think 4:1 has been quite popular in the past. This perhaps comes from the
thought that the ladder line is higher impedance than coax so we need to
step down to get it closer to the coax impedance. On the forums, people who
have modelled the antenna with software like EZNEC seem to make a fairly
compelling argument that a 1:1 balun is more likely to present an impedance
within the range of the tuner over a wide range of frequencies. The
impedance will depend on the length of the ladder line so it's a bit of a
gamble but I'm getting good results from a 1:1 current balun.
 
After doing some reading and playing with a home brew balun, I finally took
the lazy way out and splashed out on a serious balun. It's a DX Engineering
BAL050-H10-AT. It's not cheap but I think it was a good investment. I don't
have any hard evidence to show how good it is compared to a cheaper balun
but I have a feeling that it contributes to the good performance I get with
this antenna. I've had absolutely no "RF in the shack" or similar problems
even at the old QTH when I had the ladder line coming into the shack.
 
An interesting fact that I learned from the forums is the reason ladder line
works more successfully than coax in a multiband situation like this. The
common belief is that ladder line "doesn't care" about high SWR. It's true
that ladder line usually has lower loss than coax at a given SWR but that's
not the whole story. Another rather simple factor is that the characteristic
impedance of ladder line is higher than coax so therefore, for a typical
wire antenna over a wide range of frequency, the average SWR on ladder line
tends to be lower than it would be with coax and that helps keep the loss
low."

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2012 8:37 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Balanced solution for KAT500 tuner?


I don't believe that is necessarily true.  Can you cite a reference to back
up that statement?  Or at least describe in physical terms (Q, currents,
voltages, component loss, etc) why that would be so? I'm honestly curious
what the difference would be.

73,
Dave   AB7E



On 9/29/2012 2:13 PM, Adrian wrote:
> 1:1 current balun has proven more efficient in conjunction with the 
> appropriate balanced (matchbox style)tuner.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Robert G.
> Strickland
> Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2012 4:26 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Balanced solution for KAT500 tuner?
>
> Jim...
>
> Is there anything to be gained in putting a 1:1 "balanced isolator" at 
> the feed point of an antenna that is fed by a "parallel wire" feed 
> line? Does such an arrangement achieve feed line isolation while 
> preserving the ability of such an antenna to be driven on various 
> bands other than its resonant frequency? Thanks for your input.
>
> ...robert
>

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