I had never heard of the 'Cobweb' but when I googled it...it looked interesting but a tad on the large side for what you call 'apartment life'. I myself live in an apartment and find my best luck simply using a piece of 14 gauge electric fence line I had on a spool....cut for 20 meters...using a center insulator with coax connector and end insulators on both ends. I may have $15 total in the entire thing including zip ties. I used those tiny plant hooks you screw into the wall and zip ties looped over the hooks and over the wire so that the never touches the wall....about 6 inches down from my ceiling.

Now I will admit that I haven't quite been licensed a year yet. And I'll admit that I'm on the third floor. And I'll admit that with the power line noise and the plasma TV noise...and the fish pump noise...and the touch lamp noise...that apartment life can be a living RF Hell....however... somehow....since March...with my little KX3 and 10 watts at most I have managed to 2004 QSO's with 1098 of them confirmed on LoTW. With this set up I have done WAS with several band/mode certificates. I have managed 88 countries total....most of them digital but I do have 42 countries on SSB. I work mainly JT65-HF and SSB...but I've worked my share of PSK31,63,125 QPSK63, RTTY, JT9, and other digital modes...and one day I'll be comfortable enough behind a key to pump out some CW contacts.

So...I would try just a piece of wire to start with...and you may just be amazed at what you can do. For what it is worth....I also have a Buddipole and really enjoy taking it mountain topping in the Carolinas every month or so. With my new Solar Panel and some LiFePO4 batteries on the way...I should be set for some good times.

Have fun with whatever you choose,

73
Lee Stephens
KK4JSJ
KX3 #3462



On Thursday 05/30/2013 at 10:27 pm, Bill Blomgren  wrote:

I'm still in the "pre-purchase" stage.. but I'm sort of thinking that the K3 is where I'm going to end up.. Possibly with the preamp...and then there is
the big problem: what to make it to the air with.....

The idea of starting off with the buddipole system is out there - and very
possible...

I've also been reading up on the plusses and minuses of many of the
alternatives that may be possible in an apartment life...

One is the magnetic loop - which is a tad pricey with the vac. variable --
lots of copper, and the need to tune the thing every time you change
frequency - and not just antenna tuner stuff - as in changing the cap on the
antenna itself. It is a very high q (and thus voltage and current)
critter...Rube Golberg figured out how to do that.. motors with long screw
drives into a sealed box with the cap inside..with very high voltages
there... and thus requiring altitude for safety..

I came across a nifty square thing called a cobweb, which is more or less semi-flat over 4-5 bands... is very light..and can be made of pvc pipe or
possibly fiber glass because it just has 5 wires in a big square.. One
antenna to cover 20 17 15, 12 and 10 meters sounds interesting.. One of the designs even works on 6, but has higher losses... (That may be the baluns
they use for a 4-1 impedance match and to go unbalanced...

Has anyone tried one of these critters, and if so, is the Elecraft happy
with it?


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