Start here to see the new K3S features and which of them can be retrofitted to 
a K3.

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer.pdf

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

On Aug 20, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Nr4c <[email protected]> wrote:

> First, ever tried to buy a  Brand New just made 2008 automobile or  
> refrigerator or (you name the product) in 2015?  It's not marketing, it's 
> just business.  The radio is different.  New Main RF board, now 4 layers 
> instead of 2, so should be quieter.  Various "bodges" and mods have been 
> built-in to the PCB (prob replaced by a whole new series of mods).  There is 
> a new one-piece bezel on the display (with an index pointer,: don't ask what 
> for).
> 
> Now, what is all this "2X" about.  Is this an indicator of new means 2 times 
> the price of the old one.  That's just not true.  Yes the price is a little 
> higher but the design is almost 8 years newer, and the "NEW" KXV3B has two 
> preamps for 12, 10, and 6 meters that were not there before and it is 
> included in the price (was around $140 I think).  So I don't think the price 
> is all that out of line.
> 
> Now if you want the latest, it is available.  But you can save some money by 
> building a kit.  Start simple and add as you find the need and cash.
> 
> But, there are some good deals on used K3 radios out there and they are still 
> very good radios.
> 
> However if you are considering buying used and upgrading with some of the new 
> modules developed for the K3S, compare the cost.  The used rig you buy may 
> not have the features you want, more money here.  And the new modules cost 
> money as well.  I think you can almost buy the kit K3S for about the same as 
> a K3 plus the mods and you will have to install the mods yourself, when they 
> are available.
> 
> I bit the bullet and sold my KX3 system and bought a K3S and kept my K3 for 
> portable use.
> 
> I'm glad I did what I did.  I really like the "S". I think you will too.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> ...bc nr4c
> 
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2015, at 2:40 PM, bs usb <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> I know there was a discussion on this subject.  I ignored it because I was 
>> not interested in either radio.
>> 
>> Recent events have me interested in either a K3S or K3.
>> 
>> I know the K3 will have to be a used radio because new ones are no longer 
>> available.  I am not sure why that is.  Sounds like a marketing tactic.  I 
>> believe the K2 is still in production.
>> 
>> In any case a used K3 can be bought for significantly less than a new K3S.  
>> I am not convinced that the K3S 'improvements' are worth the extra expense.  
>> For instance, I don't need to be paying 2X for a 0.1X improvement.
>> 
>> Of course if the performance does go to 2X over a K3, I might be convinced 
>> to pay 2X.
>> 
>> So what was the conclusion of the discussion?  Do we have a 2X improvement 
>> in the KS3 over the K3 or is it more like 0.1X?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Frank-K5DKZ
>> 
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