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> On Sep 7, 2015, at 8:02 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft 
> <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Very good Fred.  Windows 8 was a disaster for Microsoft.  Pretty much 
> everyone involved with it left, retired or were fired. My last gig with the 
> USAF was designing computer-based training for various systems.  I had to 
> actually learn the systems in order to figure out how to train people to use 
> them. As a usability engineer, looking at critical AF systems... well I 
> wished I had that line - it would have been perfect!
> 
> Windows 8 can be fixed though.  Add an extra menu system for $5 and it works 
> just like 7.  Windows 10 is better.  But not better enough.  Microsoft failed 
> to get the complete message.  Apple is wise.  They have a separate OS for 
> each platform.  Windows 10 - like 8, does desktop and tablet equally badly.  
> Various linux-based U/I's remain the very best for the desktop computer. 
> Linux Mint Cinnamon is my favorite.
> 
> Good touch screen systems move components around so what you need is there 
> when you need them depending on what you're doing.  Flat, touch-enabled, 
> color screens will be the defacto interface for a long, long time.
> 
> Fortunately, most everything needed to make the K-Line happy runs just fine 
> on Windows 10.  FTDI drivers, for the most part, are bullet proof on 10.
> 
> Sigh.  Now that I'm done testing Windoze 10, I'll put the PCs back in the 
> closet and plug in my Macs again.  Life will be so much easier...
> 
> 73, Doug -- K0DXV
> 
>> On 9/7/2015 5:36 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> The P5 would likely be Romeo ...
>> 
>> Seriously, touchscreens vary greatly, and a great deal seems to depend on 
>> the underlying software controlling and sensing it. ATM's are almost 
>> completely foolproof.  They tend to have a small number of large touch areas 
>> on a screen.  My Kindle Fire HD is OK, it's big enough that the "keyboard" 
>> has big enough touch areas for one with arthritic fumble fingers like me, 
>> however it's spell "correct" will make you look like you just arrived from 
>> another sector of the galaxy.  My Samsung Galaxy 5 has a smaller keyboard of 
>> course, but surprisingly, I can text at a reasonable rate with my two 
>> largest digits and not make a lot of misteaks.  Most will be corrected 
>> properly.
>> 
>> Daughter bought a new laptop with Win 8.  Wow!  Many years ago, an earnest 
>> 2Lt described LAPES [it Googles fine] which we were going to use to get our 
>> gear out of the C-130 on missions.  When he finished, one of my troopers put 
>> up his hand and when called on asked, "Just how drunk were the guys when 
>> they invented this." Applicable to Microsoft and Win 8 too.
>> 
>> Fred K6DGW
>> --Northern California Contest Club
>> --CU in the Cal QSO Party
>> --3-4 Oct 2015
>> 
>>> On 9/7/2015 3:56 PM, Richard W. Solomon wrote:
>>> P7 ??? Would have more of an impact if it was the P5.
>>> At least to some folks.
>>> 
>>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
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