Yes. Rick's study, using HFTA, takes terrain into account. I've done a similar study using NEC, which assumes "flatland," and produces similar results. BUT -- what HFTA tells you is unique to whatever terrain data you give it. What Rick is describing is good for HIS QTH, but may not be good for yours.

Here's are links to my study. The first is text format, the second are slides for talks I've given at Pacificon and to several ham clubs.

http://k9yc.com/AntennaPlanning.pdf
http://k9yc.com/VertOrHorizontal-Slides.pdf

One thing that HFTA will tell you (correctly) is that if you're on a hilltop, you don't need as much height as you would on "flatland." My dipoles for 80 and 40M (two fans at right angles to each other) are at 140 ft, and they really play well. Likewise, a pair for 30M at 100 ft work great.

73, Jim K9YC

On Tue,6/21/2016 1:32 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote:
Based on that review, with as little as 1/4 wavelength above dirt, good things start to happen beyond NVIS (straight up) activity, the takeoff angle falls. At ~3/8 wave, the radiation angle of a dipole comes down remarkably, almost to the magic 2 deg level (best chance of DX or longer openings). At about a half wave up, the advantage is less for the extra height (less return on the 'investment'), improvements came slower per altitude change. The same can be said of beams but with the added gain (Yagi, enhanced dipoles). At another point, the advantages start to reverse too. It was an interesting study.


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