True... that applies to the K3 preamp as well so it can still be a net gain.

And if the feed line is 50' of 1 5/8 Heliax then it hardly matters. 

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> On Jan 25, 2017, at 5:54 PM, Ken Arck <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Well, I don't want this to devolve into an OT issue but it is well 
> established that any feedline loss ahead of the receiver adds to the total 
> noise figure of the system. (outside influences such as sky temperature, 
> local noise sources, etc notwithstanding)
> 
> So if you place a preamp with a NF of .5 dB at the "rig end" of a feedline 
> run that exhibits 3 dB of loss at the frequency involved, you now have an 
> effective noise figure of 3.5 dB ahead of your receiver. Placing the preamp 
> at the antenna has an obvious advantage of reducing that NF by 3 dB.
> 
> Period
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> At 04:45 PM 1/25/2017, Jim Brown wrote:
>> That depends on settings within the email reflector and also on settings 
>> within your email program. And it also depends on whether you are paying 
>> attention when you compose your email. When an email reflector defaults to 
>> "reply to both," I try to remember to delete the email to the sender and 
>> respond only to the reflector. In my email program (Thunderbird) it's easy 
>> to see what's going on in the address section of the email.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> 
>>> On Wed,1/25/2017 4:21 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
>>> I thought of something later.  When you reply to the list does your
>>> email client also send a private message to the person you're replying
>>> to?  If so, that would explain why you're getting the message as your
>>> client is sending two messages.  I presume the response message is to
>>> enable a white list from real people to the recipient.
>> 
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