Wes and Ed,

It's important to realize that in the K3 and later Elecraft rigs, all of this is happening in the digital domain. One thing we learned about DSP in pro audio is that dynamics processing burns a LOT processor cycles. DSP SIMULATES the behavior of analog circuitry, but depending on the code and the processor, the quality of the emulation can be varying degrees of ideal.

ALSO -- those of us who have worked in broadcast audio know that dynamics processing can be a VERY complex business, especially when you're trying to do a lot of it, and even with a budget far larger than in a ham rig. Even in analog, it's tricky to do a LOT of gain change and still sound good. A handful of designers were good at it, and made a lot of money for themselves, or their employer, or both.

And I'll repeat my previous observation that a signal path with gain that varies with time or with the signal amplitude is NOT a linear device, and non-linearity => distortion.

73, Jim K9YC

On Tue,3/7/2017 1:53 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
AGC adjusts the receiver gain, compared to the audio bits, rather slowly and DOES NOT change the "dynamic range."

If you're listening to a signal and it's too loud for your ears and you turn the audio gain down 10 dB, does that change the amplitude ratio of any signal you're listening to? No, it lowers everything by 10 dB. AGC is no different, it just operates at another location in the radio.

IMHO, this thinking is the result of looking at too many ACG slope, threshold, and phase of the moon charts and assuming that bigger signals have their gain reduced more that smaller ones at the same instant in time.

Wes  N7WS

On 3/7/2017 2:19 PM, Ed Muns wrote:
Decoders operate on the audio stream presented to them from the receiver. The decoding algorithms use the difference in audio level at each instant in
time to make bit decisions.  AGC reduces those differences and thus
increases the bit error rate.

Of course, it is important to adjust the absolute audio levels so that the
dynamic range of the signal(s) is placed within the dynamic range of the
decoder. But, compressing the dynamic range, i.e., AGC, increases the error
rate of the decoder.

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