Jim please accept my apologies, I didn't realize that since you have
written extensively on the subject and actually had a website that no
one else is allowed to comment without being chastised for contributions. 

I have made myself a note to never reply to any conversation you are
currently or could possibly become involved in , as all authoritative
answers have already been provided on your web site.. and absolutely
nothing else ever need be discussed.

and again I must disagree with you.  when you state that

"I think what you view as disagreement is my failure to write well enough."

you write extremely well, your condescending attitude comes through very
clear, to everyone. 

Still wondering if I should remove all of my links on the internet, as I
now realize I only need one.

again, please accept my apologies.. I will make every attempt to make
sure it never happens again. 

Fred Moore
email: f...@fmeco.com
       wd8...@gmail.com
phone: 321-217-8699

On 6/10/17 4:36 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Sat,6/10/2017 12:39 PM, Fred Moore wrote:
>> Jim, lets stop talking about grounds totally when dealing with RF, it's
>> just a confusion factor when it comes to discussions.
>
> That's what I said.
>
>>   unless we are
>> talking about as NEC and others when they correctly call it a "Safety
>> Ground" or a "Grounding Conductor" and make sure that everyone
>> understands the difference..  most don't
>>
>> discussions should be about
>>
>> Safety Grounds, and grounding conductors 100% about 60 cycle and DC
>> currents
>> common connection points  100% about how the above are connected
>> counterpoises, radiating elements: deals 100% with RF and antenna's
>>
>> etc.. properly understanding each one and you won't be confused at all..
>
> I've written extensively on this topic, and both that writing and
> several slide shows are on my website. k9yc.com/publish/htm
>
>>
>> I also disagree with your statement
>>
>> "First, and most important, for lightning protection and electrical
>> safety."
>>
>> The first and most important item is an electrical Safety Ground as it
>> protects people, they can't be replaced.
>> Second is lightening protection, as it typically protects equipment.
>> equipment can be replaced
> Again, I refer you to my website.
>>
>> They don't carry the same weighting factor.. as very few worldwide are
>> killed from lightning vs improper safety grounds.
> They are not different. Again, see my website. ALL grounds in a
> premise MUST be bonded together. PERIOD. Power entry, Telco entry,
> CATV entry, antennas, shack, etc. These connections must NEVER be
> separate or independent of each other.
>
>> most likely the only thing we don't agree on..  everything else you seem
>> spot on...
>
> I think what you view as disagreement is my failure to write well enough.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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