Yard house is fine > On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:12 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Edward R Cole) > 2. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Doug Person) > 3. Re: Replacement earpads for Yamaha CM500 (Joe Subich, W4TV) > 4. Re: Replacement earpads for Yamaha CM500 (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) > 5. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Walter Underwood) > 6. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Bill Johnson) > 7. Re: K3 / K3s Filters Available - Update (Doug Hensley) > 8. K2 S/N.7723 Lives :) (Martin Sole) > 9. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Ron D'Eau Claire) > 10. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Graziano Roccon) > 11. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Charlie T) > 12. kxpd3 question (JEROME SODUS) > 13. Re: kxpd3 question (Clay Autery) > 14. Re: kxpd3 question (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) > 15. Re: kxpd3 question (rich hurd WC3T) > 16. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Charlie T) > 17. Re: kxpd3 question ([email protected]) > 18. Re: kxpd3 question (Gary Smith) > 19. Re: kxpd3 question (Dave Sublette) > 20. Re: kxpd3 question (Mark Petiford) > 21. Re: kxpd3 question (Ron D'Eau Claire) > > > Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Edward R Cole) > 2. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Doug Person) > 3. Re: Replacement earpads for Yamaha CM500 (Joe Subich, W4TV) > 4. Re: Replacement earpads for Yamaha CM500 (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) > 5. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Walter Underwood) > 6. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Bill Johnson) > 7. Re: K3 / K3s Filters Available - Update (Doug Hensley) > 8. K2 S/N.7723 Lives :) (Martin Sole) > 9. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Ron D'Eau Claire) > 10. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Graziano Roccon) > 11. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Charlie T) > 12. kxpd3 question (JEROME SODUS) > 13. Re: kxpd3 question (Clay Autery) > 14. Re: kxpd3 question (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) > 15. Re: kxpd3 question (rich hurd WC3T) > 16. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Charlie T) > 17. Re: kxpd3 question ([email protected]) > 18. Re: kxpd3 question (Gary Smith) > 19. Re: kxpd3 question (Dave Sublette) > 20. Re: kxpd3 question (Mark Petiford) > 21. Re: kxpd3 question (Ron D'Eau Claire) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 12:45:23 -0900 > From: Edward R Cole <[email protected]> > To: Elecraft Reflector <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Hmm, really doesn't matter (to me) who's first in sales. 10,000 > sounds like a success and probably means it was a profitable venture > (only Wayne and Eric know what the break even point was). As a > (former) small business owner, I know that is not trivial to > estimate. Even more important to achieve. > > I think my order for a KX3 kit went in within the first day orders > were taken and I received SN 475. > > I know the popularity of the FT-817, having owned one. Only thing it > did better was operate crossband VHF/UHF for satellite operation. I > now have an old surplus FT-736R which was designed for full crossband > duplex satellite operating (also my backup VHF/UHF FM/SSB rig). > > But never cared for FT-817 small display or mediocre HF > performance. I have the atu and 2m module and added the KXPA100, > which works really nice as mobile rig. I bought it with 2m promised, > thinking of using that as IF for portable mw operating. It will get > its first real workout Aug. 18/19 (2018) at the most northern point > in Michigan's UP attempting 10-GHz across Lake Superior to MN and > ON. That weekend is the first of two for the ARRL 10-GHz Up Contest. > > I like that I can switch between my K3/10 and KX3 seamlessly to use > the KXPA100 (especially on 6m-SSB) at home. > > I operate VHF Contests on multiple bands so having the KX3 allows me > to monitor 6m continuously while working 2m and higher with the K3 > plus transverters. I also use dedicated FM radios on 222 and 900 MHz > where there is no local SSB activity. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > Dubus-NA Business mail: > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 16:53:51 -0700 > From: Doug Person <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I used the FT-817 for a long time for QRP CW, RTTY and PSK using a > NUE-PSK digital modem. It was as great combination and a lot of fun. I > now have a KX2 which , obviously, is very superior to the old 817. Yet > it was a very revolutionary radio that could do an incredible number of > things. I think the KX2/3 are also very revolutionary. An awesome > receiver in a hand-holdable, lightweight package. Bicycle mobile with > the KX2 is an amazing experience. > > Doug -- K0DXV > >> On 11/8/2017 2:45 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: >> Hmm, really doesn't matter (to me) who's first in sales.? 10,000 >> sounds like a success and probably means it was a profitable venture >> (only Wayne and Eric know what the break even point was).? As a >> (former) small business? owner, I know that is not trivial to >> estimate.? Even more important to achieve. >> >> I think my order for a KX3 kit went in within the first day orders >> were taken and I received SN 475. >> >> I know the popularity of the FT-817, having owned one.? Only thing it >> did better was operate crossband VHF/UHF for satellite operation.? I >> now have an old surplus FT-736R which was designed for full crossband >> duplex satellite operating (also my backup VHF/UHF FM/SSB rig). >> >> But never cared for FT-817 small display or mediocre HF performance.? >> I have the atu and 2m module and added the KXPA100, which works really >> nice as mobile rig.? I bought it with 2m promised, thinking of using >> that as IF for portable mw operating. It will get its first real >> workout Aug. 18/19 (2018) at the most northern point in Michigan's UP >> attempting 10-GHz across Lake Superior to MN and ON.? That weekend is >> the first of two for the ARRL 10-GHz Up Contest. >> >> I like that I can switch between my K3/10 and KX3 seamlessly to use >> the KXPA100 (especially on 6m-SSB) at home. >> >> I operate VHF Contests on multiple bands so having the KX3 allows me >> to monitor 6m continuously while working 2m and higher with the K3 >> plus transverters. I also use dedicated FM radios on 222 and 900 MHz >> where there is no local SSB activity. >> >> 73, Ed - KL7UW >> ? http://www.kl7uw.com >> Dubus-NA Business mail: >> ? [email protected] >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:55:12 -0500 > From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Replacement earpads for Yamaha CM500 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > Posted to the Elecraft list three months ago: > >>> On 8/4/2017 8:10 PM, mpupeza mpupeza wrote: >>> I ordered Koss UR40 cushions from Koss and they were $5.00 + $0.35 Tax (S+H >>> FREE) to my Winter Home in Florida. Perfect fit but snug and awkward to >>> install. >>> I looked how to do them on Youtube. There are several screws to loosen >>> under the >>> rim of the old ones. They were mail delivered in less than a week. Much >>> cheaper >>> than a new headset. >>> Mike VE3EQP ..... > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >> On 11/8/2017 2:10 PM, Dick Grolleman wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I'm looking for replacement earpads for my Yamaha CM500. Yahama does not >> sell in EU. I know some use Koss replacements. I can get Koss over here in >> EU. I just need to know which type does fit the Yamaha CM500. Any advise >> please. >> >> >> 73 de Dick PA3FQA >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 21:08:11 -0300 > From: Jorge Diez - CX6VM <[email protected]> > To: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[email protected]> > Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Replacement earpads for Yamaha CM500 > Message-ID: > <CA+h_a7JZZFV2=hbLLkid54Lxh=qt29d0zrjrjzm3c+6padn...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > unfortunately not a friendly company > > is hard to find on this days a company with this policies > > *"The credit card has to be issued by a U.S. company and the billing > address must be in the U.S"* > > from amazon, maybe this work but not sure > https://www.amazon.com/Products-Replacement-Headphone-Earpad-Cushion/dp/B01MR6PL5V/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1510186015&sr=8-4-fkmr0&keywords=koss+ur40+pads > > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > > 2017-11-08 20:55 GMT-03:00 Joe Subich, W4TV <[email protected]>: > >> >> Posted to the Elecraft list three months ago: >> >>> On 8/4/2017 8:10 PM, mpupeza mpupeza wrote: >>> >>>> I ordered Koss UR40 cushions from Koss and they were $5.00 + $0.35 Tax >>>> (S+H >>>> FREE) to my Winter Home in Florida. Perfect fit but snug and awkward to >>>> install. >>>> I looked how to do them on Youtube. There are several screws to loosen >>>> under the >>>> rim of the old ones. They were mail delivered in less than a week. Much >>>> cheaper >>>> than a new headset. >>>> Mike VE3EQP ..... >>>> >>> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >>> On 11/8/2017 2:10 PM, Dick Grolleman wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I'm looking for replacement earpads for my Yamaha CM500. Yahama does not >>> sell in EU. I know some use Koss replacements. I can get Koss over here in >>> EU. I just need to know which type does fit the Yamaha CM500. Any advise >>> please. >>> >>> >>> 73 de Dick PA3FQA >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] >> > > > > -- > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 16:19:07 -0800 > From: Walter Underwood <[email protected]> > To: elecraft <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Today on the SOTA mailing list, an activator in England (FT-817) reported > trying to work an activator in the Canary Islands (KX2). The KX2 operator > could copy, but the FT-817 operator could not. I couldn?t quite figure out > from the post whether it was SSB or CW. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Nov 8, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Doug Person <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I used the FT-817 for a long time for QRP CW, RTTY and PSK using a NUE-PSK >> digital modem. It was as great combination and a lot of fun. I now have a >> KX2 which , obviously, is very superior to the old 817. Yet it was a very >> revolutionary radio that could do an incredible number of things. I think >> the KX2/3 are also very revolutionary. An awesome receiver in a >> hand-holdable, lightweight package. Bicycle mobile with the KX2 is an >> amazing experience. >> >> Doug -- K0DXV >> >>> On 11/8/2017 2:45 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: >>> Hmm, really doesn't matter (to me) who's first in sales. 10,000 sounds >>> like a success and probably means it was a profitable venture (only Wayne >>> and Eric know what the break even point was). As a (former) small business >>> owner, I know that is not trivial to estimate. Even more important to >>> achieve. >>> >>> I think my order for a KX3 kit went in within the first day orders were >>> taken and I received SN 475. >>> >>> I know the popularity of the FT-817, having owned one. Only thing it did >>> better was operate crossband VHF/UHF for satellite operation. I now have >>> an old surplus FT-736R which was designed for full crossband duplex >>> satellite operating (also my backup VHF/UHF FM/SSB rig). >>> >>> But never cared for FT-817 small display or mediocre HF performance. I >>> have the atu and 2m module and added the KXPA100, which works really nice >>> as mobile rig. I bought it with 2m promised, thinking of using that as IF >>> for portable mw operating. It will get its first real workout Aug. 18/19 >>> (2018) at the most northern point in Michigan's UP attempting 10-GHz across >>> Lake Superior to MN and ON. That weekend is the first of two for the ARRL >>> 10-GHz Up Contest. >>> >>> I like that I can switch between my K3/10 and KX3 seamlessly to use the >>> KXPA100 (especially on 6m-SSB) at home. >>> >>> I operate VHF Contests on multiple bands so having the KX3 allows me to >>> monitor 6m continuously while working 2m and higher with the K3 plus >>> transverters. I also use dedicated FM radios on 222 and 900 MHz where there >>> is no local SSB activity. >>> >>> 73, Ed - KL7UW >>> http://www.kl7uw.com >>> Dubus-NA Business mail: >>> [email protected] >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 00:28:46 +0000 > From: Bill Johnson <[email protected]> > To: Doug Person <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! > Message-ID: > > <ro1p152mb0907a4aa73b968f0d03b3dde9c...@ro1p152mb0907.lamp152.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I think the K2 was available pre 2000 and I was a field tester. > > 72 & 73, > Bill > K9YEQ, FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Doug Person > Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:41 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! > > Isn't that exactly the same life span of the K2 -- which is still available? > > Doug -- K0DXV > >> On 11/8/2017 5:59 AM, Graziano Roccon wrote: >> Collins... 817... 706... K3... >> You are all wrong. :-) >> >> Sorry guys but i think is the Kenwood TS-2000, from 2000 to 2017 and still >> in production and for sale. >> No other radio reach a so long time in production and availability on the >> market (maybe is a record). >> >> Down the hat... >> >> Ciao, Graziano IW2NOY >> >> >>> Il 8 novembre 2017 alle 2.25 Raymond Sills <[email protected]> ha >>> scritto: >>> >>> >>> I say that the Yaesu FT-817 is king of the hill. Over 250,000 sold, and >>> still selling. >>> >>> >>> 73 de Ray >>> K2ULR >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Walter Underwood <[email protected]> >>> To: Elecraft <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tue, Nov 7, 2017 7:57 pm >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! >>> >>> We know that the K3 sold nearly 10,000, so add in the K3S sales, and that >>> is more than the KX3. >>> >>> ICOM sure sold a lot of the IC-706 series. I would not be surprised to see >>> that at the top of the list. >>> >>> If we are talking rigs made specifically for amateurs, the Collins S-line >>> might not qualify. If we are talking all HF, it is probably some marine or >>> aircraft HF box. >>> >>> wunder >>> K6WRU >>> Walter Underwood >>> CM87wj >>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> [email protected] >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> [email protected] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 00:57:45 +0000 > From: Doug Hensley <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > Elecraft List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 / K3s Filters Available - Update > Message-ID: > > <sn1pr15mb04137311adff4b06b9ba8ced91...@sn1pr15mb0413.namprd15.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The 1.0 kHz filters have been spoken for. > > > Available still are two (2) each of: > > > KFL3A-1.8K 1.8 kHz > > > KFL3A-2.7K 2.7 kHz > > > Thank you, > > > Doug W5JV > > > ________________________________ > From: Doug Hensley <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:02 AM > To: [email protected]; Elecraft List > Subject: Fw: K3 / K3s Filters Available - Adendum > > > I forgot to put the Elecraft model numbers on the filters I have for sale: > > > They are: > > > KFL3A-1.0K 1 kHz > > KFL3A-1.8K 1.8 kHz > > KFL3A-2.7K 2.7 kHz > > > I will have two (2) of each. > > Cheers, > > Doug W5JV > > > > ________________________________ > From: Doug Hensley <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 9:38 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: K3 / K3s Filters Available > > > In about a week I will be getting my K3S back from Elecraft service where I > sent > > it in for updating. While it is there, I am reconfiguring the crystal > filters and will > > have the following available if anyone needs one or more: > > > Two each 2.7 kHZ OEM SSB filters; list 139.95 sell 100.00 each; > > Two each 1.8 kHZ wide data filters; list 149.95 sell 119.95 each; > > Two each 1.0 kHZ wide CW filters; list 149.95 sell 119.95 each; > > > The filters are less than 6 months old and hardly used. You can buy one or > more > > of these with confidence. They are guaranteed to be as I describe. > > > No paypal; simple personal check or money order (for faster shipping). > Shipping is > > a flat $10 for one or more via USPS Priority Mail with tracking & some > insurance. > > > To hold one or more: email me direct << W5JV @ HOTMAIL.COM >>. Be patient & > > I will respond as soon as I can. > > > Cheers, > > > Doug W5JV > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 08:06:47 +0700 > From: Martin Sole <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Elecraft] K2 S/N.7723 Lives :) > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Just to say, that 7723 is alive and kicking albeit in a bare bones QRP > CW only format for the time being. I bought this as a way to pass a > little time stuck out in the desert and it did the job superbly. > > Initial testing went well though I am a little concerned that the 20m > sensitivity is a little down, might just need a more careful alignment > of the bpf. I also need to do a proper setup of the IF filters with the pc. > > Back home now and on some antennas it seems to be playing nicely. > > The SSB module, 160m, NB and I/O kits are on hand and will join the > family soon. > > Interesting to note the K2 was, according to Wikipedia, prototyped in > October 1997, so that radio is 20 years old and still being produced and > more importantly I think is still relevant. Has that bettered the > Collins S line? > > So one of the very latest K2's joins one of the earliest K3's S/N 298. > Now I'm starting to think that might need some updating but I'm not sure > if there have been any major upgrades to the K3, barring the synthesiser > and the S of course. > > Martin, HS0ZED > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:31:30 -0800 > From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[email protected]> > To: "'Bill Johnson'" <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! > Message-ID: <003001d35913$a0c96440$e25c2cc0$@biz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yep, 1998 I believe. I built mine in 2000 and it was S/N 1289 after working > several of them on the air the previous year or so. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 4:29 PM > To: Doug Person; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! > > I think the K2 was available pre 2000 and I was a field tester. > > 72 & 73, > Bill > K9YEQ, FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Doug Person > Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:41 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! > > Isn't that exactly the same life span of the K2 -- which is still available? > > Doug -- K0DXV > >> On 11/8/2017 5:59 AM, Graziano Roccon wrote: >> Collins... 817... 706... K3... >> You are all wrong. :-) >> >> Sorry guys but i think is the Kenwood TS-2000, from 2000 to 2017 and still > in production and for sale. >> No other radio reach a so long time in production and availability on the > market (maybe is a record). >> >> Down the hat... >> >> Ciao, Graziano IW2NOY >> >> >>> Il 8 novembre 2017 alle 2.25 Raymond Sills <[email protected]> ha > scritto: >>> >>> >>> I say that the Yaesu FT-817 is king of the hill. Over 250,000 sold, and > still selling. >>> >>> >>> 73 de Ray >>> K2ULR >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Walter Underwood <[email protected]> >>> To: Elecraft <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tue, Nov 7, 2017 7:57 pm >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! >>> >>> We know that the K3 sold nearly 10,000, so add in the K3S sales, and that > is more than the KX3. >>> >>> ICOM sure sold a lot of the IC-706 series. I would not be surprised to > see that at the top of the list. >>> >>> If we are talking rigs made specifically for amateurs, the Collins S-line > might not qualify. If we are talking all HF, it is probably some marine or > aircraft HF box. >>> >>> wunder >>> K6WRU >>> Walter Underwood >>> CM87wj >>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> [email protected] >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> [email protected] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to [email protected] > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 14:41:24 +0100 (CET) > From: Graziano Roccon <[email protected]> > To: Ron D'Eau Claire <[email protected]>, [email protected], Doug > Person <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > You are right, 1998, following the first assumption of Doug. > Also FT-817 is correct, but i think that numbers of sales are still for the > TS-2000. > > Ciao, Graziano IW2NOY > >> Il 8 novembre 2017 alle 18.11 Ron D'Eau Claire <[email protected]> ha scritto: >> >> >> I believe the K2 was sold in 1998. I built mine in 2000 after working a few >> on the air. My K2 is S/N 1289. >> >> 73, Ron AC7AC >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Doug Person >> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 8:41 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! >> >> Isn't that exactly the same life span of the K2 -- which is still available? >> >> Doug -- K0DXV >> >>> On 11/8/2017 5:59 AM, Graziano Roccon wrote: >>> Collins... 817... 706... K3... >>> You are all wrong. :-) >>> >>> Sorry guys but i think is the Kenwood TS-2000, from 2000 to 2017 and still >> in production and for sale. >>> No other radio reach a so long time in production and availability on the >> market (maybe is a record). >>> >>> Down the hat... >>> >>> Ciao, Graziano IW2NOY >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 09:08:16 -0500 > From: "Charlie T" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The Collins KWM-2 was in production from 1959 to 1982.....23 years. > Charlie k3ICH > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Graziano Roccon > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 8:41 AM > To: Ron D'Eau Claire <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Doug Person > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! > > You are right, 1998, following the first assumption of Doug. > Also FT-817 is correct, but i think that numbers of sales are still for the > TS-2000. > > Ciao, Graziano IW2NOY > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 09:14:41 -0500 (EST) > From: JEROME SODUS <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hello, > > > I'm a "no-code-ham" determined to become a "know-code-ham" and so have signed > up to a course by CWops. > > They require a paddle for sending practice since lessons will be done at > 20-wpm. > > > Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that effort, I think that a > single paddle might work best for me. > > Here are the negative items which helped form that opinion: > > 1. a comment that regular practice is needed to maintain competence with a > dual-paddle, > > 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically complicated. > > > In reading my KX3-manual and Fred-KE7X's book, it seems to me that the KXPD3 > is capable of only dual-paddle operating. Or have I missed something? > > > I understand that my KX3 has a second port for an external key (I presume a > single-paddle). > > In the past, I recall seeing photos of hams working KX3-portable with a > straight-key but, at those times, I did not pay attention if any had a paddle. > > > TIA for any reply. > > 73 Jerry KM3K > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 08:31:35 -0600 > From: Clay Autery <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > JUST finished Level 1 of the CW Academy here. > > I chose the Begali HST Mark II.? They've moved on to the Mark III now. > They are expensive, but I have absolutely zero regrets.? I love, love, > love, my key.? Worth every cent I paid for it. > > When I pass 25 wpm and hopefully gain entry to CW Ops, I will treat > myself to a Sculpture Mono... just because.? Frankly, I'll never NEED > another key. > > IF you are serious.... don't muck around.? Get a serious key. "Buy the > best tools you can afford, and only have to buy them once." -My Dad > > I can't help you with the KX3 questions...? My K3s works just fine with > a single paddle. > > 73, > Clay, KY5G > > >> On 11/09/17 08:14, JEROME SODUS wrote: >> Hello, >> >> >> I'm a "no-code-ham" determined to become a "know-code-ham" and so have >> signed up to a course by CWops. >> >> They require a paddle for sending practice since lessons will be done at >> 20-wpm. >> >> >> Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that effort, I think that >> a single paddle might work best for me. >> >> Here are the negative items which helped form that opinion: >> >> 1. a comment that regular practice is needed to maintain competence with a >> dual-paddle, >> >> 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically complicated. >> >> >> In reading my KX3-manual and Fred-KE7X's book, it seems to me that the KXPD3 >> is capable of only dual-paddle operating. Or have I missed something? >> >> >> I understand that my KX3 has a second port for an external key (I presume a >> single-paddle). >> >> In the past, I recall seeing photos of hams working KX3-portable with a >> straight-key but, at those times, I did not pay attention if any had a >> paddle. >> >> >> TIA for any reply. >> >> 73 Jerry KM3K >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 16:33:46 +0200 > From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Jerry, > > A real single paddle is nice, but you can still send non-iambically with > a dual paddle. Just don't squeeze it. You make a 'C' with four back and > forth motions instead of a squeeze. > > The connections to the rig for a single or dual paddle are the same. The > only difference is in the mechanical design of the paddle. A single > paddle cannot close both dit and dah contacts at the same time. With a > dual paddle, you can -- but you don't need to. > > 73, > Victor, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > CWA Adviser > >> On 9 Nov 2017 16:14, JEROME SODUS wrote: >> Hello, >> >> >> I'm a "no-code-ham" determined to become a "know-code-ham" and so >> have signed up to a course by CWops. >> >> They require a paddle for sending practice since lessons will be done >> at 20-wpm. >> >> >> Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that effort, I >> think that a single paddle might work best for me. >> >> Here are the negative items which helped form that opinion: >> >> 1. a comment that regular practice is needed to maintain competence >> with a dual-paddle, >> >> 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically complicated. >> >> >> In reading my KX3-manual and Fred-KE7X's book, it seems to me that >> the KXPD3 is capable of only dual-paddle operating. Or have I missed >> something? >> >> >> I understand that my KX3 has a second port for an external key (I >> presume a single-paddle). >> >> In the past, I recall seeing photos of hams working KX3-portable with >> a straight-key but, at those times, I did not pay attention if any >> had a paddle. >> >> >> TIA for any reply. >> >> 73 Jerry KM3K > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 10:00:12 -0500 > From: rich hurd WC3T <[email protected]> > To: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question > Message-ID: > <CABYU7Wi0ygzDTkP2OzOuSVd=6mf7g8ee8rid-e_pnuu1jcg...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Victor brings up an advantage of using a dual paddle; if at some point in > the future, you want to use an iambic keying method, using a dual paddle > would afford you that capability with the initial spend. > > If you never do iambic, it's only a small incremental cost between a single > and a dual lever paddle that you'll probably never miss. > > He's sort of talking me into reconsidering my single lever paddle > purchase. :) > > --- > 72, > Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 > PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer > for Scouting > Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: > *FN20is* > > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Jerry, >> >> A real single paddle is nice, but you can still send non-iambically with >> a dual paddle. Just don't squeeze it. You make a 'C' with four back and >> forth motions instead of a squeeze. >> >> The connections to the rig for a single or dual paddle are the same. The >> only difference is in the mechanical design of the paddle. A single paddle >> cannot close both dit and dah contacts at the same time. With a dual >> paddle, you can -- but you don't need to. >> >> 73, >> Victor, 4X6GP >> Rehovot, Israel >> Formerly K2VCO >> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ >> CWA Adviser >> >> >>> On 9 Nov 2017 16:14, JEROME SODUS wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> I'm a "no-code-ham" determined to become a "know-code-ham" and so >>> have signed up to a course by CWops. >>> >>> They require a paddle for sending practice since lessons will be done >>> at 20-wpm. >>> >>> >>> Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that effort, I >>> think that a single paddle might work best for me. >>> >>> Here are the negative items which helped form that opinion: >>> >>> 1. a comment that regular practice is needed to maintain competence >>> with a dual-paddle, >>> >>> 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically complicated. >>> >>> >>> In reading my KX3-manual and Fred-KE7X's book, it seems to me that >>> the KXPD3 is capable of only dual-paddle operating. Or have I missed >>> something? >>> >>> >>> I understand that my KX3 has a second port for an external key (I >>> presume a single-paddle). >>> >>> In the past, I recall seeing photos of hams working KX3-portable with >>> a straight-key but, at those times, I did not pay attention if any >>> had a paddle. >>> >>> >>> TIA for any reply. >>> >>> 73 Jerry KM3K >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 10:09:42 -0500 > From: "Charlie T" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yes, you are QUITE wrong..... > AND, you can fix it if it breaks.... for probably less than the cost of > shipping the new stuff one way to any of the big three service centers. > C > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graziano Roccon [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:18 AM > To: Charlie T <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! > > Dedicated to very rich people only... or i am wrong ? > > > >> Il 9 novembre 2017 alle 15.08 Charlie T <[email protected]> ha scritto: >> >> >> The Collins KWM-2 was in production from 1959 to 1982.....23 years. >> Charlie k3ICH >> >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 11:36:31 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi Jerry, > > I made the decision to use a single lever paddle and not learn the > "squeeze" technique needed to run a dual lever paddle. Several reasons: > > The truly high speed guys use single lever paddles--they feel they make > fewer mistakes with the single lever. > > If you learn the single lever technique you can use a dual lever paddle and > just not "squeeze" > > The dual lever technique doesn't save that much time. > > I think that a lot of the impetus to a dual lever is "CQ", both letters are > "squeeze" letters and if you are sending it a lot it is easier to send > repeated CQ's with a dual lever paddle. > > I think regular practice is needed with both single an dual lever paddles. > > I am fond of my Begali Sculpture single lever, along with my Tony Baleno > single lever. > > If you go single lever, if you occasionally use a dual lever paddle you > will be happier with minimal space between the paddles; it's closer to the > distance your fingers need to move for the single lever. Begali's Magnum > has > a very narrow space and I use it as well as my Sculpture single lever. > Tony Baleno of N3ZN keys will make a dual lever with what ever spacing > between > the paddles you want. > > Hope this helps. > > 73 > > Mike KD8RQE > > > In a message dated 11/9/2017 9:31:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Hello, > > > I'm a "no-code-ham" determined to become a "know-code-ham" and so have > signed up to a course by CWops. > > They require a paddle for sending practice since lessons will be done at > 20-wpm. > > > Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that effort, I think > that a single paddle might work best for me. > > Here are the negative items which helped form that opinion: > > 1. a comment that regular practice is needed to maintain competence with a > dual-paddle, > > 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically complicated. > > > In reading my KX3-manual and Fred-KE7X's book, it seems to me that the > KXPD3 is capable of only dual-paddle operating. Or have I missed something? > > > I understand that my KX3 has a second port for an external key (I presume > a single-paddle). > > In the past, I recall seeing photos of hams working KX3-portable with a > straight-key but, at those times, I did not pay attention if any had a > paddle. > > > TIA for any reply. > > 73 Jerry KM3K > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2017 12:30:39 -0500 > From: "Gary Smith" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Jerry, > > I learned on a Navy key and when I got my > license, Iambic was a new thing but those > who used it, swore by it. There were a few > interfaces that used what I think was a > Curtis 8044 IC and it was a fantastic chip > to learn Iambic with. I had a "Ham Keyer" > which used it and later made my own using > this chip. It had two settings for Iambic > and one seemed more natural than the other > so I stuck with it. > > I then bought a (at the time) new Corsair > II from TenTec which had a keyer built in > for Iambic but I never liked the way it > felt or operated so I stuck with that > Curtis chip. When I bought the K3 kit & > checked out the built-in Iambic option and > it was exactly what I had come to love all > along so the Curtis is now on the shelf > beside the Corsair for when I'll fire that > up again in the future. FWIW, the K3s has > that same functionality and I'm guessing > the other Elecraft rigs have the same as > well. > > Iambic is efficient, it requires I think, > less motions to accomplish the same > character and it flows like water with > such little effort. I also use a Begali > Sculpture but I started with a Bencher > Iambic paddle, moved to a Vibroplex Iambic > and finally to the Begali. The original > Bencher came apart easily and always when > I was excited and I had to put it back > together (easy to do but not an elegant > thing). Maybe they've attended to this > flaw by now? The Vibroplex worked very > well but seemed to require occasional > attention and could have been heavier to > stay in place during my moments of > exuberance. I ordered the Begali maybe 3 > years ago and never have had to touch it. > I'm sure the other Iambic paddles made by > hand are just as good. I will likely keep > this one for what time I have left. > > As the Iambic from the rig is spaced > perfectly as regards timing, it is a > perfect teacher as to how to send well. > Set your speed, go into the test mode so > you don't transmit and practice with > headphones to your heart's content. You > will find it intuitive and what you will > need to focus on is not running your > characters and words together as it is so > easy to send, you forget the point of > error is you and your not sending with the > proper gaps between characters and words. > > The way to best do this on the K3/K3s is > to go to test mode! Now push the TEXT DEC > on the front panel for decoding CW, select > the TX ONLY option and you can read what > you're sending on the LCD and this will > help you get your character spacing and > word spacing down just right. > > Lastly, I'm sure that whatever key you > get, you'll learn how to be comfortable > with it. For me, & me being a musician, > the timing is everything and again, for > me... Iambic was the easiest way to do it > right with the least effort. > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > > >> Hello, >> >> >> I'm a "no-code-ham" determined to become a "know-code-ham" and so have >> signed up to a course by CWops. >> >> They require a paddle for sending practice since lessons will be done >> at 20-wpm. >> >> >> Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that effort, I think >> that a single paddle might work best for me. >> >> Here are the negative items which helped form that opinion: >> >> 1. a comment that regular practice is needed to maintain competence >> with a dual-paddle, >> >> 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically complicated. >> >> >> In reading my KX3-manual and Fred-KE7X's book, it seems to me that the >> KXPD3 is capable of only dual-paddle operating. Or have I missed >> something? >> >> >> I understand that my KX3 has a second port for an external key (I >> presume a single-paddle). >> >> In the past, I recall seeing photos of hams working KX3-portable with >> a straight-key but, at those times, I did not pay attention if any had >> a paddle. >> >> >> TIA for any reply. >> >> 73 Jerry KM3K >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 12:43:03 -0500 > From: Dave Sublette <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected], [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Jerry, > > Don?t obsess over which paddle is best for you. Which ever system you > choose, it will take hours and hours of off the air practice before you > "should? put it on the air. Which ever system you start with, you will learn > to love and prefer ? if you get that far. > > I use iambic B and a dual paddle, but don?t often use the squeeze feature. > If you start with this, as others have pointed out, you don?t have to > squeeze. My opinion is (and it is just an opinion) by starting with the dual > paddle, Iambic B, you give yourself the most options to expand or change > methods. > > It is mostly timing and getting your internal ?clock? to a place where you > make proper, readable communication using Morse. An automatic keyer doesn?t > do this for you. I hear plenty of people using keys who don?t send code that > is comfortable to copy. > > Pick something and start practicing. You will never master it until you > start. > > 73, > > Dave, K4TO >> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Mike via Elecraft <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Jerry, >> >> I made the decision to use a single lever paddle and not learn the >> "squeeze" technique needed to run a dual lever paddle. Several reasons: >> >> The truly high speed guys use single lever paddles--they feel they make >> fewer mistakes with the single lever. >> >> If you learn the single lever technique you can use a dual lever paddle and >> just not "squeeze" >> >> The dual lever technique doesn't save that much time. >> >> I think that a lot of the impetus to a dual lever is "CQ", both letters are >> "squeeze" letters and if you are sending it a lot it is easier to send >> repeated CQ's with a dual lever paddle. >> >> I think regular practice is needed with both single an dual lever paddles. >> >> I am fond of my Begali Sculpture single lever, along with my Tony Baleno >> single lever. >> >> If you go single lever, if you occasionally use a dual lever paddle you >> will be happier with minimal space between the paddles; it's closer to the >> distance your fingers need to move for the single lever. Begali's Magnum >> has >> a very narrow space and I use it as well as my Sculpture single lever. >> Tony Baleno of N3ZN keys will make a dual lever with what ever spacing >> between >> the paddles you want. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> 73 >> >> Mike KD8RQE >> >> >> In a message dated 11/9/2017 9:31:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> I'm a "no-code-ham" determined to become a "know-code-ham" and so have >> signed up to a course by CWops. >> >> They require a paddle for sending practice since lessons will be done at >> 20-wpm. >> >> >> Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that effort, I think >> that a single paddle might work best for me. >> >> Here are the negative items which helped form that opinion: >> >> 1. a comment that regular practice is needed to maintain competence with a >> dual-paddle, >> >> 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically complicated. >> >> >> In reading my KX3-manual and Fred-KE7X's book, it seems to me that the >> KXPD3 is capable of only dual-paddle operating. Or have I missed something? >> >> >> I understand that my KX3 has a second port for an external key (I presume >> a single-paddle). >> >> In the past, I recall seeing photos of hams working KX3-portable with a >> straight-key but, at those times, I did not pay attention if any had a >> paddle. >> >> >> TIA for any reply. >> >> 73 Jerry KM3K >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 18:02:56 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mark Petiford <[email protected]> > To: [email protected], JEROME SODUS <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Jerome, > I'm not sure why anyone would go through the process of learning to send CW > and do it "single paddle".? Every radio in production supports one, or both, > Iambic modes, and they are actually easier to LEARN than they are to > UNDERSTAND!? Here is my 2-cents worth: > > 1.? The best method of sending will be the one you learn first.? This is true > of MOST things we learn.? That doesn't mean you can't learn a second method > later, but USUALLY the first method will come back to you the easiest. > > 2.? Reading about the differences in Iambic keying is far more complex than > slowing the keyer down and listening to what happens.? Slow down to around > 10wpm, hold one paddle down and tap the other to learn how dit or dah > insertion works and sounds.? Hold both paddles down and listen to what > happens when you release them.? Play with it, but do it at slow speed so you > can hear it.? I am NOT talking about learning characters yet.? That should > happen at much faster speeds, and after you know what the paddles do to make > dots and dashes at the right times.? After playing with this for as long as > you need, speed it up a bit and play some more.? Eventually you can work up > to the speed CW Ops recommends for learning the characters. > > 3.? Stop trying to decide between Iambic A and B based on the analysis of > what they do or how many paddle movements are required.? You can listen to > the differences as I have outlined in 2 above, but simply PICK ONE.? I happen > to like Iambic B because I learned on a homebrew AccuKeyer which died years > ago.? I can switch to Iambic A with a few minutes of practice, but I prefer > Iambic B simply because it doesn't seem to be as sensitive to paddle release > after holding both paddles closed in the letter C.? Oops, there I go with too > much analysis! > > 4.? Dual paddles can be used as a single paddle.? I suspect most of the > single paddle operatiors were extensive bug users first (again, first learned > is the easiest), but I couldn't afford a bug, so I learned Iambic B.? I find > that transitioning from Iambic B to single paddle is easy.? I do that when > necessary at events like Field Day. > > 5.? No more maintenance is required for dual paddle modes than for any other > mode.? It all depends on what you learned first and what you use the most.? > In aviation, a pilot's total flight time is important, but accident reports > indicate that recent experience is also important.? Look at the aviation > regulations for recent experience and you will see what I mean.? Same for CW. > > Well, I went over 2 cents worth! > > Mark > KE6BB > > > On Thursday, November 9, 2017, 6:32:28 AM PST, JEROME SODUS > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that effort, I think that a > single paddle might work best for me. > > Here are the negative items which helped form that opinion: > > 1. a comment that regular practice is needed to maintain competence with a > dual-paddle, > > 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically complicated. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 10:12:35 -0800 > From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[email protected]> > To: "'Dave Sublette'" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected], [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question > Message-ID: <002701d35986$52526e60$f6f74b20$@biz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > After more than 50 years "pounding brass", mostly with either a bug > (semi-automatic) key or paddles I still make time for practice sessions - > especially if I've been off the air for a while. My favorite is to send > names, addresses and numbers from a telephone book (they are getting rare, > but still around) with the goal of getting through one full page without a > flub. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Sublette > Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:43 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question > > Jerry, > > Don?t obsess over which paddle is best for you. Which ever system you > choose, it will take hours and hours of off the air practice before you > "should? put it on the air. Which ever system you start with, you will learn > to love and prefer ? if you get that far. > > I use iambic B and a dual paddle, but don?t often use the squeeze feature. > If you start with this, as others have pointed out, you don?t have to > squeeze. My opinion is (and it is just an opinion) by starting with the dual > paddle, Iambic B, you give yourself the most options to expand or change > methods. > > It is mostly timing and getting your internal ?clock? to a place where you > make proper, readable communication using Morse. An automatic keyer doesn?t > do this for you. I hear plenty of people using keys who don?t send code that > is comfortable to copy. > > Pick something and start practicing. You will never master it until you > start. > > 73, > > Dave, K4TO >> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Mike via Elecraft <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Jerry, >> >> I made the decision to use a single lever paddle and not learn the >> "squeeze" technique needed to run a dual lever paddle. Several reasons: >> >> The truly high speed guys use single lever paddles--they feel they >> make fewer mistakes with the single lever. >> >> If you learn the single lever technique you can use a dual lever >> paddle and just not "squeeze" >> >> The dual lever technique doesn't save that much time. >> >> I think that a lot of the impetus to a dual lever is "CQ", both >> letters are "squeeze" letters and if you are sending it a lot it is >> easier to send repeated CQ's with a dual lever paddle. >> >> I think regular practice is needed with both single an dual lever paddles. >> >> I am fond of my Begali Sculpture single lever, along with my Tony >> Baleno single lever. >> >> If you go single lever, if you occasionally use a dual lever paddle >> you will be happier with minimal space between the paddles; it's >> closer to the distance your fingers need to move for the single lever. >> Begali's Magnum has >> a very narrow space and I use it as well as my Sculpture single lever. >> Tony Baleno of N3ZN keys will make a dual lever with what ever spacing >> between the paddles you want. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> 73 >> >> Mike KD8RQE >> >> >> In a message dated 11/9/2017 9:31:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> I'm a "no-code-ham" determined to become a "know-code-ham" and so >> have signed up to a course by CWops. >> >> They require a paddle for sending practice since lessons will be done >> at 20-wpm. >> >> >> Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that effort, I >> think that a single paddle might work best for me. >> >> Here are the negative items which helped form that opinion: >> >> 1. a comment that regular practice is needed to maintain competence >> with a dual-paddle, >> >> 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically complicated. >> >> >> In reading my KX3-manual and Fred-KE7X's book, it seems to me that >> the >> KXPD3 is capable of only dual-paddle operating. Or have I missed something? >> >> >> I understand that my KX3 has a second port for an external key (I >> presume a single-paddle). >> >> In the past, I recall seeing photos of hams working KX3-portable with >> a straight-key but, at those times, I did not pay attention if any had a >> paddle. >> >> >> TIA for any reply. >> >> 73 Jerry KM3K >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> [email protected] >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> [email protected] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [email protected] > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > You must be a subscriber to post. > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 163, Issue 9 > **************************************** ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[email protected]
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