There isn't a easy answer, as, every location has different compromises -
unless you are backpacking :)   

I have found this site the most informative and to the point about the
length questions - more notability what lengths NOT to use: 
http://www.hamuniverse.com/randomwireantennalengths.html

At my QTH, my counterpoise lays on my patio - I've given up on it's length;
my dad has a similar problem and his counterpoise is ground ( he actually
does quite well .. tho all he does is weak signal CW).   

for camping, and i don't want to put up a dipole.  My wire is 84 foot end
fed and a 17 foot counterpoise -> this website: 
http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/randomWire/  

Good luck!!! 

Matt - KF6BRC



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