On the low bands 160/80 nothing beats a Beverage, built correctly. It's a very inefficient antenna and wouldn't radiate worth a crap. On the low bands we're looking for increased signal to noise ratio NOT maximum gain. 160m verticals can be pretty efficient radiators. They stink on receive because of noise caused by arrival angels and polarization. They hear equally badly in all directions at once.
On the high bands nothing beats a yagi/quad/log, mainly because of their increased gain and efficiency compared to the alternatives. With a yagi/quad/log you can point the "gain" in your favored direction and turn your back on "noise". The gain of a yagi/quad/log works equally on TX and RX. R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL, FISTS, SKCC, NAQCC. "If it doesn't work the first time you push the button it won't work the 20th.Just stop." -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net <elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of hawley, charles j jr Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2018 7:59 AM To: David Gilbert <xda...@cis-broadband.com> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise The ARRL recently published a book "Receiving Antennas for the Radio Amateur". It maintains that "The function of transmitting antennas is to radiate power efficiently, while the function of receiving antennas is to present the best signal-to-noise ratio to the receiver". It maintains that "using the same antenna for transmitting and receiving roughly coincided with the advent of the transceiver in the 1950s and 1960s." And "The glaring differences in priorities between transmitting and receiving antennas becomes...well...glaring...when we start looking into the concept of efficiency." And "some of the most effective receiving antennas are abysmally poor performers when efficiency alone is considered". It's an interesting book. Chuck KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Sep 9, 2018, at 2:16 AM, David Gilbert <xda...@cis-broadband.com> wrote: > > > > I truly do not understand why this idea that "I can work anything I can hear" hangs around as a gauge of anything meaningful. It's a totally meaningless reference. Antennas are generally (as in almost always) reciprocal between transmit and receive, so if you suck on transmit you're likely to equally suck on receive. So yeah ... most of us probably can work anything we can hear but that doesn't mean anything other than we haven't managed to screw up the physics of the world. > > 73, > Dave AB7E > > > >> On 9/8/2018 5:00 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> During the runup to Cycle 19 [!1957 for me], it was said you could work anything you could hear on 10 with 20 watts to the window screen. Window screens were copper in those days. I tried it out with my "28-28" [6J6-2E26] rockbound 10 m TX, and indeed, I seemed to be able to work everything I heard if I had a 40 m rock close enough. Window screens are no longer copper so I don't think it would work today. My "tuner" was the adjustable link coupling to the tank. College starting 1957, military and SE Asia in 62, and Cycle 19 was in the rear view mirror when I got home at the end of 1967. Oh that Cycle 25 would repeat even half of 19! >> >> 73, >> >> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW >> Sparks NV DM09dn >> Washoe County > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > c-haw...@illinois.edu ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ksto...@ac0h.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
