KFBK's are actually two, phased for day-night directional service.  Been awhile since I saw them but the bottom insulators were maybe 10 ft above ground level [I'm 6'2" and it was just above my reach] so the feedpoint is a tiny bit higher than 1/4 wave.  1/2 wave at 1530 KHz is just over 300 ft and the feed system at 50 KW is mechanically complex and pretty heavy.  I think [not sure where I read it but it was moderately recently] that KFBK's Franklin is the last AM broadcast one in NA.

NIST photos of WWV HF antennas show about the same height more or less.  WWVH uses 2-element phased elements to put a cardioid null at the CONUS to reduce interference.  I would think that getting anything [including ground] farther out in the near field would reduce losses.  The choice is an engineering cost-benefit trade off of course.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/10/2018 11:41 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
On 9/9/2018 7:02 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
The WWV antennas are center-fed vertical dipoles.

Thanks for the reminder about this -- I vaguely remember reading about their antennas years ago.  Question -- from the description, is the feedpoint higher than a quarter wave above ground?  A few years ago, I did an NEC modeling study of HF verticals that showed that doing that improved the vertical pattern and seemed to suggest that it reduced ground losses. Your thoughts?

The study is here.  http://k9yc.com/VerticalHeight.pdf

73, Jim K9YC


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