Several reasons why this is a bad idea. First, resonant dipoles are a much closer match to 50 or 75 ohm coax than to 300 ohm line. Low dipoles are closer to 50 ohms, higher ones closer to 75 ohms.

Second, the MOST important place for a choke is at the feedpoint. The feedline is part of the antenna until it hits the first choke! If, for example, the feedline is 60 ft long and the only choke is at the shack, that 60 ft of feedline is picking up noise and can be de-tuning your antenna. Additional chokes along the line can prevent the feedline from interacting with nearby vertical antennas, and can further reduce feedline noise.

Third, N6BV wrote an excellent piece for QST several years ago observing that it's VERY easy to fry a common mode choke on a line with high SWR.   This happens when the choke is at a high current point on the transmission line, overheating the line and the ferrite core.

I will soon publish a new Choke Cookbook for chokes wound on a single #31 2.4-in o.d. core with RG400, a #12 teflon pair, and a #12 THHN pair. I am no longer recommending chokes wound with RG8/11/213 size coax, for reasons that will be detailed in the applications note that comes with the "cookbook." I've been beta testing THHN and enameled pair chokes for years; recent work shows that that RG400 and teflon #12 are the better choice.

An 80/40 fan dipole will perform as well as separate 80 and 40 dipoles at the same height -- the only compromise is that SWR bandwidth is reduced by about half on 40M, but a fan dipole cut for the center of the band is still below 2:1 at the band edges.

As to sag -- height IS a good thing. Modeling shows that horizontal antennas, it takes a change of 5 ft on 40M for between 30 and 70 ft, and 10 ft on 80M for antennas twice that height to make a difference of 0.9 dB.  That work is presented in this peer-reviewed paper. http://k9yc.com/AntennaPlanning.pdf  The discussion of rigging height begins around page 10.

Yesterday in this thread someone questioned my statement that the difference in field strength between a horizontal dipole and an inverted Vee with it's apex at the same mounting height was in the range of 1-2 dB. For another project, I just modeled an inverted Vee for 80M with it's apex at 46 ft and ends at 17 ft. The difference was about 1.5 dB as compared to a horizontal antenna at 46 ft. Bringing the ends further down will, of course, increase that difference. I didn't model it, but 3dB seems a reasonable number. But remember, with antennas, higher is usually better. :) When we use Inv Vees for portable setups, we always try to rig the ropes for the ends of the antenna as far away and as high as possible.

73, Jim K9YC

On 12/8/2018 8:00 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
The 80 / 40 M fan dipole fed with 300 ohm transmitting line {The Wireman #562} and then use the balun at the point where the feed line enters the house would be preferable.


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