I don't disagree with that approach, Bob. As I've been learning in the last few 
years, complex is nice when you have the brain-power to cope with all the 
layers upon layers. Now, I'm far more forgetful, and what used to be fun 
(learning setup/configs) is one of the things that's driving me away from the 
hobby. 

But that said, I do know how to use a good subset of features of N1MM and DX 
Labs, based on 18 years of N1MM and just about 10 years of DX Labs. It's just a 
question of hitting all the right notes (and buttons). I know a lot of guys 
here rave at the Win4K3 software. I tried it and was extremely impressed--an 
awful lot of GREAT work went into that program, but it's just too much for me 
to understand. I'd rather just operate what I know and spend my remaining 
braincells working guys, not playing computer administrator.

I'm making a lot of progress tonight both here and on the N1MM reflector (and 
via email). More later.

 - pjd

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On 
Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

Well it's just me........I don't run any software to run another software.  
Thus no N1MM, no DX Lab, no Winwarbler, no Win4K2 and such. If I want to work 
RTTY the I use MMTTY.  If I want to work the mode FT-8 or other digital modes,  
then I run WSJT-X.   If I want to run PSK-31 or such, I use FLDIGI.   If I want 
to work CW, I have a Vibroplex on the desk and the keyer is in the radio. There 
is no other hardware to be configured.

I'm a firm believer that more software running means more issues to resolve.  I 
keep mine simple, one at a time.

Just simple old Bob with a system that works, day in and day out.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 3/19/2019 8:56 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it 
> working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my 
> initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will never) understand 
> is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it.
>
> When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came 
> up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost 
> no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB 
> connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just 
> switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and 
> that’s it.
>
> Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s compatible. 
> I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with 
> this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost no further ahead than I 
> was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW 
> sending and /RTTY tone just won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying 
> last year that it isn’t that hard to do….yet here we are!
>
>   
>
> - pjd
>
>   
>
> From: Barry <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM
> To: Peter Dougherty <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>
>   
>
> Peter,
>
>      I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using 
> RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode 
> as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be 
> about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card 
> for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because.
>
>   
>
>      The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over 
> running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you 
> call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some 
> digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also 
> turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone.
>
>   
>
>      I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would 
> estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-)
>
>   
>
>      As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. 
> Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. 
>  This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound 
> card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a 
> com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set 
> to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the 
> transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power 
> level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you 
> set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and 
> go. Have fun!
>
>   
>
> 73,
>
> Barry
>
> K3NDM
>
> .
>
> ------ Original Message ------
>
> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
>
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>
> Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM
>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>
>   
>
> I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I 
> should set
>
> my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler 
> exclusively (I
>
> don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I 
> have
>
> the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a
>
> MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll 
> be
>
> doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case.
>
>   
>
> Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, 
> just
>
> LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built 
> into the
>
> K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using 
> data
>
> mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the 
> radio
>
> using Data mode for FT8.
>
>   
>
> Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the 
> right
>
> settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always.
>
>   
>
>   
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
>   
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Dougherty
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
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