Anyone who has ever been responsible for ordering parts, no matter which
industry, knows full well about delays in parts shipments during tough
times. This Pandemic is a once in a century occurance, so it really makes me
shake my head, and frankly get a little p****d off when I read comments from
Amateur Radio folks who I regard as very intelligent people, "ragging" on
excellent companies such as Elecraft because they have had to wait for
parts, or new equipment (K4), or repairs.
Stop thinking about yourselves for just one minute and place yourself in
their shoes. There is no excuse for some of the comments that I have read.
Thank you Eric for taking the time from your VERY busy schedule to give this
very informative update. I have worked in equipment maintenance for DEC and
Intel Semiconductor before retiring in 2000, I appreciate your professional
update, God Bless you!
Dick / W1REJ
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1. K3/K3S Options Last time buy update (Eric Swartz)
2. Re: KX2: Transmit Power 10m Band (Michael Urspringer)
3. KX2: Transmit Power 10m Band (Reed Fite)
4. Bringing K3s-P3 out of storage ? (Jerry Moore)
5. need readable kx3 block-diagram (JEROME SODUS)
6. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (Morgan Bailey)
7. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (Skip Davis)
8. KX3 Option Advice Wanted (Glen Reid)
9. Re: KX3 Option Advice Wanted (Eric Garner)
10. Re: KX3 Option Advice Wanted (Julia Tuttle)
11. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (David Gilbert)
12. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (jerry)
13. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (Rick NK7I)
14. Remote Elecraft tranceivers (Charles)
15. Re: Remote Elecraft tranceivers (David Gilbert)
16. Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 217, Issue 2 (Peder Kittelson)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 23:46:48 -0700
From: Eric Swartz <e...@elecraft.com>
To: EleCraft mail list <elecr...@qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3S Options Last time buy update
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Hi Everyone,
I apologize for not posting this update last week. It was quite busy
at Elecraft HQ, plus I had two unexpected visits to the dentist. (Lots of
fun :-)
As you know by now, the logistics and parts production shortage problems
caused by the COVID pandemic have caused huge production problems for us
and the rest of the electronics industry, car manufacturers etc. The delay
getting the K3/K3S Options status out has primarily been due to the fact
that our Elecraft production, purchasing and engineering teams, in addition
to their normal day to day tasks, they have also been heavily focused on
working together to find production quantities of parts (and alternate
parts) for our primary product lines (K4, K4D, KX2, KX3, KPA500, KPA1500,
KXPA100 etc.) This is a herculean task, with new shortages popping up
every week. Even 'confirmed' scheduled parts ordered 12 months in advance
from major distributors can suddenly not show up on time. So far we have
been successful dodging these issues, finding alternate suppliers, locating
alternate parts, buying larger quantities of hard to get parts for
inventory etc. This has kept our primary products moving out the door in
steadily increasing quantities each month, (Feb. and March were record
months) but it also has slowed us from working on finding and purchasing
all the parts for the last run of K3/K3S options. That said, we are now
focusing more directly on this and have been successful getting many of the
critical K3/K3S option parts in house. Below is our current Status.
I've initially broken the options into 5 groups with estimated shipping
dates, depending on which options we are currently focused on, parts we
already have in stock, expected parts delivery times, certainty of
acquiring parts, manufacturing time and how close we are to having all
parts for each option in house. Dates will get firmer in general as we
move forward.
We will contact customers with currently booked orders (and wait list
customers in some cases) as each option gets close to shipping. (Please
try to resist calling sales for new updates as they are heavily loaded and
will not have new K3/K3sOption information until the next update comes out.)
Group 1:
a.) K144XV will be ready to ship within the next week. (We will start
contacting customers this week).
b.) K144RFLK: 6-8 weeks if everything goes ok. This board can be
installed after the K144XV is installed. (We're working to get this one
faster, if possible.)
Group 2: (These two options received the highest quantity of orders)
a.) KSYN3A: 7-12 weeks if there are no last minute surprises. We have been
successful locating and purchasing the primary problem parts, including the
SI570, Pic processor etc.
b.)KIO3BUPKIT: 8-12 weeks
Group 3:
KXV3B, KBPF3A, P3TX Monitor, KAT3A:, KPA3A 10-14 weeks
Group 4:
K3/0-Mini, K3EXREF, KDVR3. 14-16 weeks est. This may change +/- depending
on parts deliveries and availability.
Group 5:
P3, P3SVGA: After Group 4. Working on locating several hard to get
parts. Will update with estimated ship dates in following status updates
as this becomes better defined.
I will work to post updates every 2-3 weeks as we move forward. As parts
come in we hope some items in groups 2-4 will move to shorter times.
73,
Eric WA6HHQ
*elecraft.com <http://elecraft.com>*
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 14:54:41 +0200
From: Michael Urspringer <mich...@urspringer.de>
To: Mailinglist Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2: Transmit Power 10m Band
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Hi Reed,
Thanks for the hint with the Automated Transmit Gain Calibration. This
solved my issue as well!
73, Michael DG3NAB
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 14:21:35 +0000 (UTC)
From: Reed Fite <w...@bellsouth.net>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2: Transmit Power 10m Band
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Hi Michael,
Glad it fixed it Michalel!
73,Reed? W4JZ
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 14:36:40 +0000
From: Jerry Moore <je...@carolinaheli.com>
To: "Elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Bringing K3s-P3 out of storage ?
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Are there any suggested steps prior to powering them on or just plug n play?
Tnx.
De AE4PB ..
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 14:59:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: JEROME SODUS <jso...@comcast.net>
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] need readable kx3 block-diagram
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Hello,
I'm scheduled to give, at the August meeting of the South Mountain Radio
Amateurs club, a presentation on the workings of the Elecraft KX3.
I need a readable copy of the KX3's block-diagram for my ppt.
Making a copy of the block-diagram from the on-line manual and blowing it up
to fit into a ppt does not work; the print inside the blocks are not at all
readable.
Googling for alternatives, I see "cqdx.ru" has a sharp copy but I have yet
to figure a way to copy that into my ppt.
So, hopefully someone somewhere has a sharp copy that they could send to me.
TIA for any help.
73 jerry km3k.....kx3#6088.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 10:39:22 -0500
From: Morgan Bailey <mbaileyc...@gmail.com>
To: Barry Baines <bbai...@mac.com>
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net, Chuck MacCluer <macclue...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
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I can not ever remember operating any radio longer than 5 years or keeping
any radio longer than 10 years. This includes the K3S/P3 that I owned for 5
years. I have learned my lesson about a bird in hand beats 10 in the bush.
I may not have the latest and greatest radio but I have one with a set of
capabilities that I can work with from day one, and day to day, turn on the
radio, twist the knobs and contest mode ready to go. Friends of mine have
Flex radios. They are still waiting for software to be developed. Me, I
went with the FTDX101 and FTDX10. Sure there are bugs in the radios. I know
what they are and work with them. For me, it is not a problem. Being
retired, I can't spend the huge dollar amount when I was working and have
to settle for things that work and are cheaper in price, not cheaper in
quality and underdevelopment.
I loved my K3S, P3, Not so much. Truthfully, I wish Elecraft had repackaged
the K3 in a K4 box and included the nice touch screen as a package...I
would have bought it. Instead the K4 was the evolution. There is no doubt
that the hardware is excellent. Although the K4HD module is not out and I
am wondering how much software engineering it will take to make those
boards work. The KPA500 and KAT500 is the best thing they have going for
them. That combination is excellent. It is nearly bombproof...but do not
run FT8 on it at full power as it will not hold up too well. Other than
that, it is fine. Running RTTY in a contest at 350 watts is fine for the
amp. It stays cool at that power level. The KPA1500, I was not in love
with. It was too loud and too much heat for my liking. I sold it and went
another direction. All of my antennas are resonant for CW and because I run
Tx band pass filters for SO2R, I can not use a tuner, therefore the KPA1500
built in tuner was worthless to me. I was paying for something that I did
not need. I bought 2 Mercury III amplifiers and they run 1KW solid with
high speed contest CW at 37WPM with quiet fans and cool temp 48C.
Would I ever go back to Elecraft? Yes, BUT there would have to be an
overwhelming reason to do so and right now that is not the case.
What would I love to see designed? I think that the world is in great need
of a SO2R interface that is mechanical and does not need a ton of
unreliable virtual comport software to make it run and bombs when windoz
makes an update. One USB interface to make the radio key CW and switch
between transceivers. I would love to have switches rather than software to
make the thing work. Mechanical as possible because once it is set it is
done and software will not be an issue. If Elecraft made an accessory like
that I would buy it at the speed of light. If it required to be run with a
K4, which at this time is a work in progress, I would stay with the MK2R+
which I am currently running.
Not all innovation is good. Sometimes small steps are better than jumping
off a cliff.
My 2 cents, which in today's economy is worthless and still waiting to be
delivered due to the supply chain. LOL!
73, Morgan NJ8M
On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 11:42 PM Barry Baines via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> Chuck:
>
> > On May 1, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Chuck MacCluer <macclue...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > The K3 and K3S are dead ends --- they are frozen at their present
> > capabilities. The K4 is a partially filled canvas that can improve over
> > time. For example, the K4s I hear on the air still have, like the K3xs,
> > that ugly popup in the unwanted sideband. They compare in this respect
> > unfavorably with the lowly IC-7300. But the K4 will someday possess
> > predistortion and consequently a pristine transmitted SSB signal. Unlike
> > its predecessors, the K4 has an unlimited future. That's the nature of a
> > full SDR.
>
> Your point is certainly well taken. Performance enhancements, new
> features, bug fixes, etc. are all possible given the old adage, ?It is
> simply the software.?
>
> That said, exactly how a product line evolves over time can have a huge
> impact on both current customers and perspective customers. One can
> certainly argue that those that jumped in line on the day of product
> announcement for the K4 are ?early adopters? who are willing to purchase a
> hardware design and then be relatively patient waiting for the
> software/firmware to evolve to the point that announced features are made
> available. The tradeoff is that ?needed features? may lag behind the
> ?basic features? and that those that forked out real $$$$ for the latest
> generation of hardware may start to get ?antsy? about not being able to
> take full advantage of a product?s ?potential? as software/firmware
evolves
> later.
>
> While I have no idea what Elecraft?s development timeline looks like,
> presumably their development schedule is predicated on relative priorities
> as well as creating the building blocks necessary to enhance the software
> over time. I also don?t know how large their development team is or
> whether they have other duties/responsibilities as well. As far as I
know,
> they have not released a ?development roadmap?. Bottom line is that those
> that purchasers of a new generation of hardware that is fully dependent
> upon software to ?make the magic? must recognize that such development
work
> will likely exceed their presumptions of how quickly such software is
fully
> developed.
>
> While Elecraft is not FlexRadio, one only has to look at the history of
> Flex to see how much longer software development takes over hardware
> development to create the ?desired? product. When Flex announced their
> 6xxxx series at the 2012 Hamvention, they delivered the hardware within 18
> months of product announcement to those who ?signed up? in the first few
> months after product annoucement. I received my Flex-6700 in November
2013
> with SmartSDR for Windows version 1.0. However, the first iteration of
> SSDR (v1.0) was simply the first step in a long evolution of software
> development. It wasn't until May 2017 (five years after initial product
> announcement) that ?SmartLink? was introduced in SSDR v2.0 that allowed
> remote connectivity of Flex-6xxxx series transceivers, a product feature
> announced in 2012 and which is why I got the Flex-6700 in the first place.
>
> Almost 10 years later, we?re now seeing hardware issues starting to crop
> up with the SD cards installed in older Flex-6xxx transceivers that
contain
> the ?smarts? of these products. While Flex utilizes ?industrial grade?
SD
> cards, even these products apparently degrade after years of read/write
> cycles. Customers are now experiencing issues where current firmware
> upgrades ?brick? their transceivers because of the longterm degradation of
> these cards means they fail during testing of SD card performance as part
> of the firmware update. In other words, the testing is done to ensure
that
> SD card is capable of accepting the new firmware and fails. Flex has been
> very responsive is supplying replacement SD cards (even though radios are
> beyond their warranty period) which is certainly appreciated, but it does
> leave a ?taste in one?s mouth? when this happens. BTW, these SD cards are
> unit specific (they apparently contain serial number information) which
> means one can?t simply copy the contents of one SD card and install it on
a
> non-Flex provided SD Card.
>
> I note this simply to point out that today?s world of ?software defined
> radio? introduces not only new capabilities but also changes the paradigm
> about product development and longevity of products due to limitations.
> Indeed, investing in a new product release such as the K4 or the
> Flex-6xxxx means that the purchaser becomes part of that product?s
> ?ecosytem? where it may take a significant amount of time to finalize that
> ecosystem. This compares to the ?old days? where one purchased a ?radio
as
> is? with limited update capabilities and one simply purchased a
replacement
> as needed.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW/5
> Keller, TX
>
>
> >
> > Chuck w8mqw
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 12:01:37 -0400
From: Skip Davis <skipn...@yahoo.com>
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
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Dave you wrote:
Parts are obviously still available for the modules and accessories for
which they accepted last time buy orders ... they just decided not to make
any more after that.
Well maybe you need to re-read the post from Elecraft regarding not being
able to obtain some of the parts for the modules. As has been pointed out by
many manufacturers there is a worldwide parts procurement problem going on
and many parts are now unobtainable which it isn?t exclusive to Elecraft.
Elecraft doesn?t have the depth of resources that ICOM, Yaesu, and Kenwood
who are in multiple markets and can produce maybe 10K plus board units of a
product at a time. I recently repaired an FT1200 for a friend that had two
self-biased transistors fail and I ordered the two different parts and
increased my order to two of each. Well my package didn?t make it here so I
went to reorder from Yaesu and it turns out I ordered the last ones they had
in stock. The lead time for one of the parts was projected to be 24 months
and I went to the worldwide market place and no one had stock with the same
lead time, in other words unobtainable. The sad part of this is that this
circuit is the power on circuit and this part is used in all there current
rigs that I could find schematics for including my two month old FT891
mobile rig. There is no known cross reference for this device, I?ve checked
with all manufacturers.
Oh by the way after filing a lost mail claim my package finally moved out of
the Anaheim postal facility and found its way here after 8 weeks so I got my
less than 30 cents worth of parts and $6 shipping after all and my friend
got his rig back.
Skip Davis, NC9O
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 11:28:34 -0500
From: Glen Reid <greid...@gmail.com>
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Option Advice Wanted
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I am contemplating the purchase of a KX3. Looking for input from users on
which options I should consider.
Thanks es 73
gr
K5FX
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 09:47:59 -0700
From: Eric Garner <garn...@gmail.com>
To: Glen Reid <greid...@gmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Option Advice Wanted
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I have a KX3 fully loaded (KXFL3, KXAT3, KXBC3, KX3-2M) the only one I
would skip if I had to do it over is the KXBC3. The NiMH batteries just
don't have the oomph to justify adding them for me and having the RTC
doesn't really matter to me, your needs might be different. I just use an
external LiFePO4 pack for power.
The Pro Audio Engineering heatsink addon (
https://proaudioeng.com/oos-pae-kx32-ultimate-heatsink-kit-elecraft-kx3/)
is nice if you will be running digimodes without an external amplifier.
Eric KI7LTT
On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 9:31 AM Glen Reid <greid...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am contemplating the purchase of a KX3. Looking for input from users on
> which options I should consider.
> Thanks es 73
> gr
> K5FX
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 14:15:24 -0400
From: Julia Tuttle <ju...@juliatuttle.net>
To: Eric Garner <garn...@gmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>, Glen Reid
<greid...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Option Advice Wanted
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Hey Glen,
Here's my take on KX3 options and such:
KXAT3 is absolutely worth it. It will tune *anything* and is super easy to
use. (Looking at you, Icom, where pushing the button turns the tuner on and
off and you have to hold it to run a tuning cycle.)
KXBC3 is okay. I use the NiMHs more like a backup, for things like moving
the radio around while it's on or temporarily unplugging the power supply
to avoid some RFI. If you actually want to operate off battery seriously,
I'd get an external lithium ion battery from Bioenno.
(Do not trust the RTC in the KXBC3; it has been terribly inaccurate in my
experience, and even a $10 wristwatch would do better. You might get some
use out of it if you make sure to set it every time you sat down to operate
and you really don't want a separate clock.)
I don't have the KX3-2M, but I wouldn't consider it myself based on the low
power output. If you want to do specialized VHF work, and you're willing to
throw an external amp at it, you might want it.
I don't have the KXFL3, but I'm a casual enough operator that I'm not sure
I'd be able to speak to the benefits anyway.
Not options in the same sense, but some other Elecraft accessories:
KXPD3 is great. It doesn't hold a candle to external paddles made by
companies that specialize in them, but it is unbeatable in compactness and
convenience.
PX3 is good. It's integrated with the KX3 well, and if you've used and
liked a panadapter before, this will make you happy. My only nit is that
the hardware integration is cluttered (power to both the KX3 and PX3, ACC1
serial between the two, and RX I/Q signals between the two).
I don't have the KXPA100, but I've heard it's also integrated well and is a
solid amp. Big downside is the price; last I checked, you can spend about
half as much and get the same functionality if you don't need the right
Integration. Nonetheless, if I did want a 100W amp for my KX3, I'd splurge
and get it.
And some third party accessories:
SideKX side panels (and cover) from GEMS Products are, in my opinion,
mandatory. I am much comfier throwing my KX3 in a backpack with them. They
do make the front panel slightly more cramped, but it's worth it to me.
PAE-KX32 heatsink from Pro Audio Engineering is, as Eric said, great if you
want to run the KX3 at full power out and 100% duty cycle for digital
modes. Not necessary, but makes a noticeable improvement, especially if you
point a small fan at it.
PAE-KX33 power supply from PAE works, packs much smaller than a desktop
power supply, and hasn't caused any RFI problems for me. Worth it if you're
going to be travelling to places with mains power but no existing shack
power supply to borrow.
Hope the wall of text helps! Questions welcome if you've got any.
73,
Julie
On Mon, May 2, 2022, 12:48 Eric Garner <garn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a KX3 fully loaded (KXFL3, KXAT3, KXBC3, KX3-2M) the only one I
> would skip if I had to do it over is the KXBC3. The NiMH batteries just
> don't have the oomph to justify adding them for me and having the RTC
> doesn't really matter to me, your needs might be different. I just use an
> external LiFePO4 pack for power.
> The Pro Audio Engineering heatsink addon (
> https://proaudioeng.com/oos-pae-kx32-ultimate-heatsink-kit-elecraft-kx3/)
> is nice if you will be running digimodes without an external amplifier.
>
> Eric KI7LTT
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 9:31 AM Glen Reid <greid...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am contemplating the purchase of a KX3. Looking for input from users
> on
> > which options I should consider.
> > Thanks es 73
> > gr
> > K5FX
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 11:40:43 -0700
From: David Gilbert <ab7e...@gmail.com>
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
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I still say it was purely a business decision WHEN THEY MADE IT. Yes,
some parts might be difficult to get now, but when Elecraft offered the
last chance buys they obviously expected to be able to source the
necessary parts or they wouldn't have done so.? With Elecraft's
apparently limited resources, I don't think readily available parts
would make them change that decision.? They have simply decided to move
on, and if my K3 fails I will look to buy my next rig from a different
vendor that at least offers some sort of repair capability from
certified 3rd parties in case I might be unable to repair it myself.
A modular upgradable rig isn't anything special if you can no longer buy
modules.
Dave?? AB7E
On 5/2/2022 9:01 AM, Skip Davis via Elecraft wrote:
> Dave you wrote:
> "Parts are obviously still available for the modules and accessories for
which they accepted last time buy orders ... they just decided not to make
any more after that."
> Well maybe you need to re-read the post from Elecraft regarding not being
able to obtain some of the parts for the modules. As has been pointed out by
many manufacturers there is a worldwide parts procurement problem going on
and many parts are now unobtainable which it isn?t exclusive to Elecraft.
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 02 May 2022 11:52:09 -0700
From: jerry <je...@tr2.com>
To: David Gilbert <ab7e...@gmail.com>
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
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On 2022-05-02 11:40, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> A modular upgradable rig isn't anything special if you can no longer
> buy modules.
*** Might actually be a negative. Connectors can be unreliable.
- Jerry KF6VB
>
> Dave?? AB7E
>
>
> On 5/2/2022 9:01 AM, Skip Davis via Elecraft wrote:
>> Dave you wrote:
>> "Parts are obviously still available for the modules and accessories
>> for which they accepted last time buy orders ... they just decided not
>> to make any more after that."
>> Well maybe you need to re-read the post from Elecraft regarding not
>> being able to obtain some of the parts for the modules. As has been
>> pointed out by many manufacturers there is a worldwide parts
>> procurement problem going on and many parts are now unobtainable which
>> it isn?t exclusive to Elecraft.
>
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 11:57:58 -0700
From: Rick NK7I <rick.n...@gmail.com>
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
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It was a business decision AFTER 15 years of SUPPORT and UPGRADES that
no other company, in any interest, offers in any one product (no not
even cars, they evolve each year, not the same base product).? Elecraft
felt that they had taken it as far as they could (it has limits in
design) and that it was time to move on. There is no more economic
reason to continue a product with limited parts availability, BEFORE
COVID started.
They offered, as a courtesy, not for increasing revenue, one last batch
of modules, in hopes of getting the parts needed (and having more boards
made etc).? Again, no one else does this on a product line 15 years old.
There is nothing 'wrong' with a K3/s, it will still continue to provide
use for some years.? But the day of the K4 has arrived, it, like this
thread, is time to move on.? (It's awesome by the way, easily the best
CW rig I've ever used and the CESSB has made ALL the difference on phone.)
So instead of badgering, whining and belittling, the K3 had a great run,
let's all move on.? Enjoy the K3 while you can and operate exuberantly!
If/when it dies, part it out so other can enjoy theirs a little longer
and move on.? Long live the K4!
73,
Rick NK7I
On 5/2/2022 11:40 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> I still say it was purely a business decision WHEN THEY MADE IT. Yes,
> some parts might be difficult to get now, but when Elecraft offered
> the last chance buys they obviously expected to be able to source the
> necessary parts or they wouldn't have done so.? With Elecraft's
> apparently limited resources, I don't think readily available parts
> would make them change that decision.? They have simply decided to
> move on, and if my K3 fails I will look to buy my next rig from a
> different vendor that at least offers some sort of repair capability
> from certified 3rd parties in case I might be unable to repair it myself.
>
> A modular upgradable rig isn't anything special if you can no longer
> buy modules.
>
> Dave?? AB7E
>
>
> On 5/2/2022 9:01 AM, Skip Davis via Elecraft wrote:
>> Dave you wrote:
>> "Parts are obviously still available for the modules and accessories
>> for which they accepted last time buy orders ... they just decided
>> not to make any more after that."
>> Well maybe you need to re-read the post from Elecraft regarding not
>> being able to obtain some of the parts for the modules. As has been
>> pointed out by many manufacturers there is a worldwide parts
>> procurement problem going on and many parts are now unobtainable
>> which it isn?t exclusive to Elecraft.
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 19:14:08 +0000
From: Charles <cli...@hotmail.com>
To: elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Elecraft tranceivers
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I am one of many amateurs who have been using the K3-K3/0 mini-Remote Rig
setups. Having moved around the country several times in the past few years
I have maintained my station on a relative's farm for several years, and
find that the above equipment works flawlessly on RTTY FSK, CW, and audio
modes. If the K3 becomes unrepairable, will the K4 attain full remote
capability, or will I and others have to look elsewhere?
Chuck, N8CL
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 12:39:15 -0700
From: David Gilbert <ab7e...@gmail.com>
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remote Elecraft tranceivers
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Elecraft has said that the K4 is supposed to eventually have full remote
capability from a PC or even notebook computer, which from my point of
view would be one of the strong selling points of the rig. However, the
last information I saw on it (I think somebody posted a reply from
Elecraft here on the reflector) indicated that Elecraft had no timetable
for writing the software to do so.? Maybe Wayne would have some sort of
update on that.
73,
Dave?? AB7E
On 5/2/2022 12:14 PM, Charles wrote:
> I am one of many amateurs who have been using the K3-K3/0 mini-Remote Rig
setups. Having moved around the country several times in the past few years
I have maintained my station on a relative's farm for several years, and
find that the above equipment works flawlessly on RTTY FSK, CW, and audio
modes. If the K3 becomes unrepairable, will the K4 attain full remote
capability, or will I and others have to look elsewhere?
>
> Chuck, N8CL
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 13:08:04 -0700
From: Peder Kittelson <peder.kittel...@gmail.com>
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 217, Issue 2
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Yes, one can say the K3s is at the end of its development cycle. Yet it is
at the top of the list in its development!
The real driving force here will be the thousands of K3-K3s transceivers
out there. Is it about 12,000? Anyone that wants to make good money
repairing these radios by using parts from another radio will be in
business for a long time.
I wonder if Elecraft is willing to give up this financial stream of repair
money? That part of the business could financially sustain ongoing
development of the K4.
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> 1. IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (Jerry Moore)
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> 3. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (w...@jetbroadband.com)
> 4. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (Chuck MacCluer)
> 5. Re: Indefinite support for K3s (Michael Carter)
> 6. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (Henk Remijn PA5KT)
> 7. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (Fred Jensen)
> 8. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (David Gilbert)
> 9. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (David Gilbert)
> 10. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (Fred Jensen)
> 11. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (Jerry Moore)
> 12. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (Nate Bargmann)
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> 14. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (Mike Flowers)
> 15. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (Bill Weaver)
> 16. K1 accessories (Chris Chapman)
> 17. Replacement cost K3 fully loaded (Mike Fatchett W0MU)
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> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 12:26:27 +0000
> From: Jerry Moore <je...@carolinaheli.com>
> To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
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> How long will elecraft continue to support the case 3s and are there any
> components or modules that we should buy in advance because they won't be
> supportable in the future?
>
> Tnx
> De ae4pb ..
>
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> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 08:50:46 -0400
> From: Andrew Moore <andrew.n...@gmail.com>
> To: Jerry Moore <je...@carolinaheli.com>
> Cc: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
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> I can't speak for Elecraft but given the present disruptions in parts,
> supply chains and labor, coupled with inflation, I have to wonder how they
> could possibly give an answer other than "as long as possible."
>
> Something you might consider (maybe you already have) is buy a backup K3S
> to serve as a donor if something goes south with your main one. There are
> loads of them coming on the market now, and if you already have a working
> one, you have more time to hold out for a good price on a second one. This
> is exactly what I did for an Omni D recently. It's great peace of mind for
> when something goes wrong (when, not if :)
>
> 73,
> Andrew NV1B
> ..
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 8:28 AM Jerry Moore <je...@carolinaheli.com> wrote:
>
> > How long will elecraft continue to support the case 3s and are there any
> > components or modules that we should buy in advance because they won't
be
> > supportable in the future?
> >
> > Tnx
> > De ae4pb ..
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 10:04:13 -0400
> From: <w...@jetbroadband.com>
> To: "'Andrew Moore'" <andrew.n...@gmail.com>, "'Jerry Moore'"
> <je...@carolinaheli.com>
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
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> In the Air Force, we called these extras "Hanger Queens" - never to fly
> again.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jerry, W1IE
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net <elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net>
> On
> Behalf Of Andrew Moore
> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 08:51 AM
> To: Jerry Moore <je...@carolinaheli.com>
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
>
> I can't speak for Elecraft but given the present disruptions in parts,
> supply chains and labor, coupled with inflation, I have to wonder how they
> could possibly give an answer other than "as long as possible."
>
> Something you might consider (maybe you already have) is buy a backup K3S
> to
> serve as a donor if something goes south with your main one. There are
> loads
> of them coming on the market now, and if you already have a working one,
> you
> have more time to hold out for a good price on a second one. This is
> exactly
> what I did for an Omni D recently. It's great peace of mind for when
> something goes wrong (when, not if :)
>
> 73,
> Andrew NV1B
> ..
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 8:28 AM Jerry Moore <je...@carolinaheli.com> wrote:
>
> > How long will elecraft continue to support the case 3s and are there
> > any components or modules that we should buy in advance because they
> > won't be supportable in the future?
> >
> > Tnx
> > De ae4pb ..
> >
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> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 10:04:34 -0400
> From: Chuck MacCluer <macclue...@gmail.com>
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
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> The K3 and K3S are dead ends --- they are frozen at their present
> capabilities. The K4 is a partially filled canvas that can improve over
> time. For example, the K4s I hear on the air still have, like the K3xs,
> that ugly popup in the unwanted sideband. They compare in this respect
> unfavorably with the lowly IC-7300. But the K4 will someday possess
> predistortion and consequently a pristine transmitted SSB signal. Unlike
> its predecessors, the K4 has an unlimited future. That's the nature of a
> full SDR.
>
> Chuck w8mqw
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 15:42:54 +0000
> From: Michael Carter <mike.car...@unh.edu>
> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <Elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Indefinite support for K3s
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> Wayne, N6KR, posted on 23 April that Eric (WA6HHQ) will
> have an update on K3 modules 'next week.'
>
> My recollection is that Elecraft set a cutoff date in spring 2021
> for ordering of K3/K3s modules to gauge interest and allow
> ordering of long-lead-time parts.
>
> I can't find another recent post in which it was said that
> there may be a few 'spares' of select K3/K3s modules
> available for those who did not order them in spring 2021.
>
> 73,
> Mike, K8CN
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 19:19:37 +0200
> From: Henk Remijn PA5KT <pa...@remijn.net>
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
> Message-ID: <167720b0-ac8b-fdbb-b911-573ea6040...@remijn.net>
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> It helps sometimes to read through the history of this maillist.
>
> This questions have been asked 100 times the last 10 days.
>
> Henk
>
> Op 1-5-2022 om 14:26 schreef Jerry Moore:
> > How long will elecraft continue to support the case 3s and are there any
> components or modules that we should buy in advance because they won't be
> supportable in the future?
> >
> > Tnx
> > De ae4pb ..
> >
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> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 12:20:32 -0700
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dg...@gmail.com>
> To: Chuck MacCluer <macclue...@gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
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> Just love pronouncements as the concrete hardens around them! ?? "640
> kB should be enough for everyone."*? "At very best, the worldwide market
> for a computer like this will be six or seven."**? "The K3s is a dead
end."
>
> A "dead end" road stops.? It no longer works as a road.? The
> functionality of my K3 [#642 with new synth, gen coverage BPF] continues
> and will continue until something breaks.? It's not a dead end.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> * Often incorrectly attributed to Bill Gates
> ** Allegedly forecast by an IBM executive in the late 50's
>
> Chuck MacCluer wrote on 5/1/2022 7:04 AM:
> > The K3 and K3S are dead ends --- they are frozen at their present
> > capabilities. The K4 is a partially filled canvas that can improve over
> > time. For example, the K4s I hear on the air still have, like the K3xs,
> > that ugly popup in the unwanted sideband. They compare in this respect
> > unfavorably with the lowly IC-7300. But the K4 will someday possess
> > predistortion and consequently a pristine transmitted SSB signal. Unlike
> > its predecessors, the K4 has an unlimited future. That's the nature of a
> > full SDR.
> >
> > Chuck w8mqw
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 12:20:40 -0700
> From: David Gilbert <ab7e...@gmail.com>
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
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>
>
> That window is closed.? Elecraft offered a last time buy of modules for?
> the K3 and K3s some time ago.? They hinted that they might have made a
> few extras, but for the most part what you have now is what you (or
> someone else) will have forever unless you buy a spare rig for parts.
>
> That's not the scenario Elecraft originally promoted when I bought my
> K3, but they clearly decided they couldn't do that and support the
> ongoing effort on the K4 at the same time.? Parts are obviously still
> available for the modules and accessories for which they accepted last
> time buy orders ... they just decided not to make any more after that.
>
> I guess one way to look at this is that Elecraft is a small company that
> outgrew its ability to do everything they said they would.
> Understandable maybe, but unfortunate.
>
> 73,
> Dave?? AB7E
>
>
>
>
> On 5/1/2022 5:26 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> > How long will elecraft continue to support the case 3s and are there any
> components or modules that we should buy in advance because they won't be
> supportable in the future?
> >
> > Tnx
> > De ae4pb ..
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 12:50:44 -0700
> From: David Gilbert <ab7e...@gmail.com>
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
> Message-ID: <e7622ada-42cd-7d8a-ea8c-c3c25f5ac...@gmail.com>
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>
> The K3s and the K3 with new synths aren't "dead ends".? The great
> majority of specs for both rigs are better than the K4 and will be until
> the K4HD comes out at three times the price.? The K3 and K3s are only
> "dead ends" because of a business decision, not a technical one.
>
> Dave?? AB7E
>
>
> On 5/1/2022 7:04 AM, Chuck MacCluer wrote:
> > The K3 and K3S are dead ends --- they are frozen at their present
> > capabilities. The K4 is a partially filled canvas that can improve over
> > time. For example, the K4s I hear on the air still have, like the K3xs,
> > that ugly popup in the unwanted sideband. They compare in this respect
> > unfavorably with the lowly IC-7300. But the K4 will someday possess
> > predistortion and consequently a pristine transmitted SSB signal. Unlike
> > its predecessors, the K4 has an unlimited future. That's the nature of a
> > full SDR.
> >
> > Chuck w8mqw
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 12:53:10 -0700
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dg...@gmail.com>
> To: David Gilbert <ab7e...@gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
> Message-ID: <7110fc98-1cad-8be0-ce6e-aedd456cc...@gmail.com>
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> I don't think it has much if anything to do with the size of Elecraft.?
> WW2 gear was built with point-to-point wiring and components [e.g.
> resistors, capacitors] that were available through the 40's, 50's, 60's,
> 70's,? 80's, and even into the early 90's.? My Swan 500C in the late
> 60's was still wired point-to-point. You could buy a .01 mfd capacitor?
> ... in the 40's it would likely be wax impregnated paper with two leads,
> later it might be a disc ceramic with two leads maybe a little smaller
> but still visible.
>
> Technology made a sharp turn as silicon replaced nearly everything and
> "Honey, I shrank all the parts" became a great hit at the box office.?
> And, the availability life of the nearly invisible parts decreased
> dramatically. More and more function was being crammed into less and
> less space, and the individual parts did far more than just provide
> capacitive reactance.? Many multi-functional things you could buy
> readily in early 2000 were closing in on unobtanium before the the end
> of the decade. It's affected everything and everyone, it will probably
> continue, and Elecraft is caught in it just like everyone else.
>
> And, then there's the Great Exodus to Offshore Manufacturing ... another
> factor for another time.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> David Gilbert wrote on 5/1/2022 12:20 PM:
> > I guess one way to look at this is that Elecraft is a small company
> > that outgrew its ability to do everything they said they would.
> > Understandable maybe, but unfortunate.
> >
> > 73,
> > Dave?? AB7E
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/1/2022 5:26 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> >> How long will elecraft continue to support the case 3s and are there
> >> any components or modules that we should buy in advance because they
> >> won't be supportable in the future?
> >>
> >> Tnx
> >> De ae4pb ..
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 20:06:18 +0000
> From: Jerry Moore <je...@carolinaheli.com>
> To: Fred Jensen <k6dg...@gmail.com>, David Gilbert <ab7e...@gmail.com>
> Cc: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
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> I guess my question was more geared toward if I had to repair and module
> are the components still available to fix the module not necessarily the
> module itself.
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
>
> I don't think it has much if anything to do with the size of Elecraft.
> WW2 gear was built with point-to-point wiring and components [e.g.
> resistors, capacitors] that were available through the 40's, 50's, 60's,
> 70's, 80's, and even into the early 90's. My Swan 500C in the late
> 60's was still wired point-to-point. You could buy a .01 mfd capacitor
> ... in the 40's it would likely be wax impregnated paper with two leads,
> later it might be a disc ceramic with two leads maybe a little smaller
> but still visible.
>
> Technology made a sharp turn as silicon replaced nearly everything and
> "Honey, I shrank all the parts" became a great hit at the box office.
> And, the availability life of the nearly invisible parts decreased
> dramatically. More and more function was being crammed into less and
> less space, and the individual parts did far more than just provide
> capacitive reactance. Many multi-functional things you could buy
> readily in early 2000 were closing in on unobtanium before the the end
> of the decade. It's affected everything and everyone, it will probably
> continue, and Elecraft is caught in it just like everyone else.
>
> And, then there's the Great Exodus to Offshore Manufacturing ... another
> factor for another time.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> David Gilbert wrote on 5/1/2022 12:20 PM:
> > I guess one way to look at this is that Elecraft is a small company
> > that outgrew its ability to do everything they said they would.
> > Understandable maybe, but unfortunate.
> >
> > 73,
> > Dave AB7E
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/1/2022 5:26 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> >> How long will elecraft continue to support the case 3s and are there
> >> any components or modules that we should buy in advance because they
> >> won't be supportable in the future?
> >>
> >> Tnx
> >> De ae4pb ..
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 15:42:00 -0500
> From: Nate Bargmann <n...@n0nb.us>
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
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> * On 2022 01 May 14:52 -0500, David Gilbert wrote:
> >
> > The K3s and the K3 with new synths aren't "dead ends".
>
> I agree with Chuck that the K3 series are dead ends in the sense that no
> more development effort will be put into them. Sad but true. There are
> some aspects that I'd like to see improved in the firmware but it simply
> is not going to happen. As fine of a radio as my K3 is, Elecraft has
> moved on. That is the reality.
>
> It is also a reality that my K3 continues to perform as well as it ever
> has and has provided me with years of trouble free enjoyment.
>
> 73, Nate, N0NB
>
> --
> "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
> possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 17:08:37 -0400
> From: Steve Hall <99sun...@gmail.com>
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] 40 meter 7280 KHz SSB net, May 10
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> The band was in good shape today. Good signal strength with low noise.
> Thanks to my relay stations.
>
> WM6P STEVE GA K4D
> WB9EJB ED IN K4D
> W4DML DOUG TN K3
> WY3T TIM FL K3S
> K8NU CARL OH KX3
> KD4PBJ CHRIS TN KX3
> KB9AVO PAUL IN K4
> N8SBE DAVE MI K3S
> KA4CTW BOB KY KX3
> AE6JV BILL NH K3
> KG4WXU JERRY TN KX3
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 14:38:44 -0700
> From: "Mike Flowers" <mike.flow...@gmail.com>
> To: "'Nate Bargmann'" <n...@n0nb.us>, <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
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>
> There is a business opportunity here for someone with the HF transceiver
> diagnostic and SMD replacement skills and equipment.
>
> Someone who does excellent Elecraft service work at reasonable prices
would
> never want for business. And if the work is of consistently high enough
> quality, perhaps Elecraft would designate them as an Authorized Service
> Center.
>
> Low fruit, just waiting to be picked by the right person(s) ...
>
> - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Vice-President 2021-2022 - In
> pursuit
> of DXCELLENCE!
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net <elecraft-
> > boun...@mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Nate Bargmann
> > Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2022 13:42
> > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
> >
> > * On 2022 01 May 14:52 -0500, David Gilbert wrote:
> > >
> > > The K3s and the K3 with new synths aren't "dead ends".
> >
> > I agree with Chuck that the K3 series are dead ends in the sense that no
> more
> > development effort will be put into them. Sad but true. There are some
> > aspects that I'd like to see improved in the firmware but it simply is
> not
> going
> > to happen. As fine of a radio as my K3 is, Elecraft has moved on. That
> is the
> > reality.
> >
> > It is also a reality that my K3 continues to perform as well as it ever
> has and
> > has provided me with years of trouble free enjoyment.
> >
> > 73, Nate, N0NB
> >
> > --
> > "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds.
> The
> > pessimist fears this is true."
> > Web: https://www.n0nb.us
> > Projects: https://github.com/N0NB
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 17:47:32 -0400
> From: Bill Weaver <bwea...@weaver-net.net>
> To: Mike Flowers <mike.flow...@gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
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> There are a few of those around now. Of course they have varying
> capabilities relative to SMD. A buddy of mine just recently had a K3
> repaired by N3CZ over in North Carolina. He turned it in a few weeks.
>
> 73,
> Bill WE5P
>
> Comfortably Numb
>
> > On May 1, 2022, at 17:40, Mike Flowers <mike.flow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?There is a business opportunity here for someone with the HF
transceiver
> > diagnostic and SMD replacement skills and equipment.
> >
> > Someone who does excellent Elecraft service work at reasonable prices
> would
> > never want for business. And if the work is of consistently high enough
> > quality, perhaps Elecraft would designate them as an Authorized Service
> > Center.
> >
> > Low fruit, just waiting to be picked by the right person(s) ...
> >
> > - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Vice-President 2021-2022 - In
> pursuit
> > of DXCELLENCE!
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net <elecraft-
> >> boun...@mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Nate Bargmann
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2022 13:42
> >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
> >>
> >> * On 2022 01 May 14:52 -0500, David Gilbert wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The K3s and the K3 with new synths aren't "dead ends".
> >>
> >> I agree with Chuck that the K3 series are dead ends in the sense that
no
> > more
> >> development effort will be put into them. Sad but true. There are
some
> >> aspects that I'd like to see improved in the firmware but it simply is
> not
> > going
> >> to happen. As fine of a radio as my K3 is, Elecraft has moved on.
That
> > is the
> >> reality.
> >>
> >> It is also a reality that my K3 continues to perform as well as it ever
> > has and
> >> has provided me with years of trouble free enjoyment.
> >>
> >> 73, Nate, N0NB
> >>
> >> --
> >> "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible
worlds.
> > The
> >> pessimist fears this is true."
> >> Web: https://www.n0nb.us
> >> Projects: https://github.com/N0NB
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 23:50:05 +0000
> From: Chris Chapman <vk...@hotmail.com>
> To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K1 accessories
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> Hello all,
>
> I've been able to buy a K1 here in VK. It is in excellent condition (Ser.
> No 3380) and has 20 & 40m only.
>
> I know Elecraft stopped supporting some time ago and accessories etc are
> pretty much discontinued. I'm interested in getting 15 & 17m band modules
> - can anyone offer any thoughts on where I might ask around - or advertise
> a "wanted".... Other than eHam.net.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Chris VK3QB
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 18:40:58 -0600
> From: Mike Fatchett W0MU <w...@w0mu.com>
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Replacement cost K3 fully loaded
> Message-ID: <387fc409-fd79-c221-4376-b9cf19de1...@w0mu.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Looking for guestimates for insurance purposes.? K3 dual receivers full
> of filters etc.
>
> W0MU
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 21:32:28 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <d...@w3fpr.com>
> To: Chris Chapman <vk...@hotmail.com>, "elecraft@mailman.qth.net"
> <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 accessories
> Message-ID: <152ef738-5166-2d62-ccd6-5e35c7084...@w3fpr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Chris,
>
> That is quite feasible - getting a board is the starting problem.
>
> If you can find a 2 band board for any band(s), you can order the
> crystals for the bands you want from Elecraft.
> They may also have the K1 band kits in stock which have the capacitors
> required for that band.? Worst case, you may have to order the
> capacitors separately if Elecraft no longer has the K1 band kits.
> If Elecraft no longer has the crystals, you may have to order custom
> crystals - they must be fundamental mode crystals - overtone mode will
> not work properly.
> See the K1 band kit instructions for the components required. Download
> the instructions from Elecraft website.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/1/2022 7:50 PM, Chris Chapman wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I've been able to buy a K1 here in VK. It is in excellent condition
> (Ser. No 3380) and has 20 & 40m only.
> >
> > I know Elecraft stopped supporting some time ago and accessories etc are
> pretty much discontinued. I'm interested in getting 15 & 17m band modules
> - can anyone offer any thoughts on where I might ask around - or advertise
> a "wanted".... Other than eHam.net.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Chris VK3QB
> > ______________________________________________________________
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 19:44:33 -0700
> From: kevin <kev...@coho.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
> Message-ID: <f5920dcd-cdd5-5c7e-faaf-5393cc686...@coho.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Good Evening,
>
> ?? The bands were so so.? QSB from S0 to S8 at times, with waves of
> noise.? The sun has been up to something.? It did show up for a few
> minutes, now it is gone again.? Spring arrives slowly here. Trilliums
> are blooming in the warmer spots.
>
>
> ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:
>
> W0CZ - Ken - ND
>
> K4JPN - Steve - GA
>
> K6XK - Roy - IA
>
>
> ? On 7047.5 kHz at 2330z:
>
> WM5F - Dwight - ID
>
> K6PJV - Dale - CA
>
> K0DTJ - Brian - CA
>
>
> ?? I started watching Harvey over dinner.? I thought a Pooka was
> seasonal, but Jimmy Stewart brings him to life.? Movies were different
> in 1950.? There was no CGI of a 6' 3 1/2" tall rabbit. Nor was there any
> color.? Just a good story.
>
>
> Until next week 73,
>
> ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS
>
>
> -
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 00:39:53 -0400
> From: Barry Baines <bbai...@mac.com>
> To: Chuck MacCluer <macclue...@gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
> Message-ID: <15b0a319-92a0-4efd-af1b-8550e849c...@mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Chuck:
>
> > On May 1, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Chuck MacCluer <macclue...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > The K3 and K3S are dead ends --- they are frozen at their present
> > capabilities. The K4 is a partially filled canvas that can improve over
> > time. For example, the K4s I hear on the air still have, like the K3xs,
> > that ugly popup in the unwanted sideband. They compare in this respect
> > unfavorably with the lowly IC-7300. But the K4 will someday possess
> > predistortion and consequently a pristine transmitted SSB signal. Unlike
> > its predecessors, the K4 has an unlimited future. That's the nature of a
> > full SDR.
>
> Your point is certainly well taken. Performance enhancements, new
> features, bug fixes, etc. are all possible given the old adage, ?It is
> simply the software.?
>
> That said, exactly how a product line evolves over time can have a huge
> impact on both current customers and perspective customers. One can
> certainly argue that those that jumped in line on the day of product
> announcement for the K4 are ?early adopters? who are willing to purchase a
> hardware design and then be relatively patient waiting for the
> software/firmware to evolve to the point that announced features are made
> available. The tradeoff is that ?needed features? may lag behind the
> ?basic features? and that those that forked out real $$$$ for the latest
> generation of hardware may start to get ?antsy? about not being able to
> take full advantage of a product?s ?potential? as software/firmware
evolves
> later.
>
> While I have no idea what Elecraft?s development timeline looks like,
> presumably their development schedule is predicated on relative priorities
> as well as creating the building blocks necessary to enhance the software
> over time. I also don?t know how large their development team is or
> whether they have other duties/responsibilities as well. As far as I
know,
> they have not released a ?development roadmap?. Bottom line is that those
> that purchasers of a new generation of hardware that is fully dependent
> upon software to ?make the magic? must recognize that such development
work
> will likely exceed their presumptions of how quickly such software is
fully
> developed.
>
> While Elecraft is not FlexRadio, one only has to look at the history of
> Flex to see how much longer software development takes over hardware
> development to create the ?desired? product. When Flex announced their
> 6xxxx series at the 2012 Hamvention, they delivered the hardware within 18
> months of product announcement to those who ?signed up? in the first few
> months after product annoucement. I received my Flex-6700 in November
2013
> with SmartSDR for Windows version 1.0. However, the first iteration of
> SSDR (v1.0) was simply the first step in a long evolution of software
> development. It wasn't until May 2017 (five years after initial product
> announcement) that ?SmartLink? was introduced in SSDR v2.0 that allowed
> remote connectivity of Flex-6xxxx series transceivers, a product feature
> announced in 2012 and which is why I got the Flex-6700 in the first place.
>
> Almost 10 years later, we?re now seeing hardware issues starting to crop
> up with the SD cards installed in older Flex-6xxx transceivers that
contain
> the ?smarts? of these products. While Flex utilizes ?industrial grade?
SD
> cards, even these products apparently degrade after years of read/write
> cycles. Customers are now experiencing issues where current firmware
> upgrades ?brick? their transceivers because of the longterm degradation of
> these cards means they fail during testing of SD card performance as part
> of the firmware update. In other words, the testing is done to ensure
that
> SD card is capable of accepting the new firmware and fails. Flex has been
> very responsive is supplying replacement SD cards (even though radios are
> beyond their warranty period) which is certainly appreciated, but it does
> leave a ?taste in one?s mouth? when this happens. BTW, these SD cards are
> unit specific (they apparently contain serial number information) which
> means one can?t simply copy
> the contents of one SD card and install it on a non-Flex provided SD
> Card.
>
> I note this simply to point out that today?s world of ?software defined
> radio? introduces not only new capabilities but also changes the paradigm
> about product development and longevity of products due to limitations.
> Indeed, investing in a new product release such as the K4 or the
> Flex-6xxxx means that the purchaser becomes part of that product?s
> ?ecosytem? where it may take a significant amount of time to finalize that
> ecosystem. This compares to the ?old days? where one purchased a ?radio
as
> is? with limited update capabilities and one simply purchased a
replacement
> as needed.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW/5
> Keller, TX
>
>
> >
> > Chuck w8mqw
>
>
>
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