OK folks.

That makes good sense to me. I have been arguing the consequences of using a wide filter mainly to enhance awareness of the facts as I know them. I really have only sketchy information at this point (no 'hands-on experience), so my response is theoretical and based on a few pieces of information that Wayne has provided both on the reflector and privately.

The real facts are: 1) I will order my initial K3 with only the stock 2.7 kHz filter. Everything else will have to be add-ons - this is a necessity based on my ham radio budget at this time (taxes have just been recently paid and insurance is due!). 2) there is promise of a variable bandwidth filter in the works. I will wait to see what it will provide before ordering any other filter. I expect the variable filter may be of the Cohn design which is great for CW and SSB, but may not meet my needs for group delay since I am interested in performance with data modes. The rounded nose of several of the filters shown in one of the references Eric made do hold promise for a good group delay characteristic, but my guess is only a guess, further information is necessary.

My best recommendation at this time: Understand the consequences of depending on a wide roofing filter while making your decisions - if you choose only the wide filter, live with it for a while. Additional filters can be ordered after determining your individual needs, so if you find yourself in a situation where a more narrow filter will be beneficial to your operation, order it at that time. Someone else's operating experience and priorities may not be equal to yours. The information I have so far is that the major benefit to a narrow roofing filter is substantial reduction in AGC 'pumping'.

73,
Don W3FPR

Martin AA6E wrote:
Don, the voice of sanity...

As an Orion owner considering the K3, I am aware of quite a few folks in the Orion world who assume that ordering their rig with "all the filters" is going to be better than taking the standard factory option (4 filters: 1, 2.4, 6, and 20 kHz).

In fact, extra roofing filters only help you when you're working in very hostile band conditions, like contesting. For normal mortals (me), the standard filters have been fine.

Whether the K3 would need more than one roofing filter completely depends on your operating style, in my opinion. So, if in doubt, it's very reasonable to start with the one standard filter and add more as needed.

If you add the second receiver, I think you have to decide all over again which filters you want to add to _it_. (I assume the first and second Rx do not have to be equal. One may have the general coverage option, for example, and the other not.)

I certainly like the modular approach that lets you ease into the K3 world at a reasonable cost.

73 Martin AA6E

Don Ehrlich wrote:
> I ordered mine with no crystal filters. They can always be installed later and by then I will have learned enough to know what I really want or need.
 > And ... I know I am not wasting my money with a hasty decision.
 >
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