[Note to all: We're planning to put any further information about roofing filters (whether philosophical or practical) into the FAQ, not on the reflector. Thanks for all of your great input and questions!]

Hi Doug,

DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:

I want to use the narrowest roofing filter by
mode that works for my operating style only when I am having IMD
issues (some have said AGC issues also).  My use of the word
"narrowest" is key.  What possible advantage is there to "trying" a
filter a which is a little bit narrower?  If it doesn't work, I still
get IMD.  If it works "this time," will it work next time under
harsher IMD conditions?  During a contest, I don't have time or
motivation to "play around."  I want works all the time (or 99%).

This is a multi-part answer -- bear with me  :)

As you adjust the DSP's WIDTH control (or hicut/locut), firmware automatically selects that crystal filter which is closest to your selected DSP passband. This means you don't have to worry about manual crystal filter selection at all, normally -- let the K3 do the work. The five filter icons (FL1-FL5) will indicate which crystal filter it has selected. You can continue to narrow the DSP bandwidth all the way down to 50 Hz in every mode, and the K3 will dutifully select the best installed crystal filter. Slight differences in filter passband loss are taken into account as well.

If you have a number of roofing filters, you'll have a three-point filtering system with ultimate rejection that's basically infinite (roofing filter, DSP I.F., DSP AF). Anyone who has suffered AGC pumping, desense or other problems when using wide roofing filters will notice the different the first time they use the K3 in crowded band conditions.

You can select crystal filters manually if you wish using the XFIL button. When you do this, the DSP passband is set to match the selected crystal filter's passband. You can then alter it with WIDTH or HICUT/LOCUT from there.

There are two other controls of interest that really simplify operation:

NORM -- This normalizes the overall system passband (crystal filter and DSP filtering) to a per-mode value, e.g. 2.7 or 2.8 kHz on SSB. This is a quick way to get back to initial conditions; it also removes any SHIFT.

I/II -- This toggles between two "presets", i.e. two previously-established combinations of DSP control settings and crystal filter selection. If you have two settings you typically use (say wide/narrow for CW tuning), toggling between the two presets makes it very fast and easy. In CW mode, I usually have preset I set
            for 400 Hz, and II set for 100 Hz.

All of the DSP/filter settings are per-mode and per-VFO. So if you have the subreceiver installed, you can for example listen to CW at two separate bandwidths in the two receivers. The audio can be mixed, or one receiver's audio routed to the left earpiece/speaker and the other to the right. This is why we wanted two high-performance receivers with identical filter complements: versatility.


I guess the price of the variable passband roofing filter will add a lot to the story.

Yes, these will in effect give you 4 to 8 filters in a single slot. Since crystal filters are selected automatically as you adjust the DSP controls, you can think of the variable-passband filters as DSP-tracking crystal filters -- unique to the K3.


One last thought. I have not heard the DSP output. Perhaps there are so many artifacts that using selectable "roofing" filters is a better option????? I kinda doubt it.

The DSP subsystem has extremely high fidelity and low IMD. Until signals reach a fairly high level, the DSP's own filtering could handle the entire job. The roofing filters, if installed, will remove very strong signals outside the communications bandwidth being used. There's also pre-DSP hardware AGC that comes in at a high level to protect the A to D converter when very strong signals are present in the crystal filter passband.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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