It sounds very exciting Wayne and something I am certainly going to be
looking for.  Of course, the display should be as detailed as possible, i.e.
better than most of the displays found on radios that feature pan adapters.
I don't think I need name them.  I will say the panadapter for the flex
radio is very nice, but of course it does run via the computer.  I don't
know whether it will be possible to have one as detailed as that but if it
is it surely would be most useful.  It also be nice if the K-3 could be
controlled through the panadapter with some sort of point and click routine.
I do think having an included power supply and speaker would be very useful.
It would be easier to cart the whole thing off for work in the field as
there would be no need for many boxes and many connecting wires.  The idea
of having an organic display is interesting -- perhaps it could then grow as
needs change.  Of course some means would have to be provided to control its
growth as it would be rather disconcerting to come into the ham shack some
evening to find that the pan adapter has grown to be 10 feet tall and 5 feet
wide and is growling at you!  Of course, perhaps your organic stuff would
not have those characteristics.

All joking aside, your ideas sound very exciting and I will look forward to
see how they develop and mature.

Bruce-W8FU

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Doug Person
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:07 PM
To: Gordan Hribar
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Info!

Wayne,
I would vote for an included internal speaker since this would add 
minimal cost and make available an optional power supply.

Doug -- K0DXV

Gordan Hribar wrote:
> From: wayne burdick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: April 28, 2007 11:25:51 AM PDT
> To: Elecraft Reflector <[email protected]>
> Subject: K3 and its future external panadapter
>
> Sometime in the future (give us at least six months!) we'll be 
> offering a very high-performance panadapter for the K3. Let's call it 
> a "P3" for now. The P3 will work with any radio that has an I.F. tap, 
> but it will be styled to match the K3. We're thinking 2/3rds of the 
> K3's width, but the same height and depth. It may have a speaker 
> and/or 20 A power supply. Your input on this would be very welcome.
> Early on in the K3 design process, we decided not to include an 
> *internal* panadapter. Here's our reasoning:
>  - A panadapter takes up a *lot* of front-panel real-estate. So, if 
> you want to
>    keep the radio at compact desktop size, you have to displace a lot 
> of controls.
>    The displaced controls end up buried in menus or "soft keys," 
> making basic
>    radio operation much more difficult. The K3 has a menu for things 
> rarely used,
>    but since there's no huge display, we were able to put every 
> often-used control
>    at your fingertips, optimally placed with respect to the LCD. A 
> good example
>    is our filter passband graphic, which is centered directly above 
> the DSP controls.
>  - An internal panadapter adds a lot of cost. Many customers, we felt, 
> would
>    rather have such cost be optional. If you want a panadapter, you'll 
> be able
>    get our P3 and set it beside the rig. Then, if you want to grab 
> your K3 and head
>    for the hills, you can optionally leave the panadapter on the desk 
> (along with
>    its speaker and power supply).
>
>  - Internal panadapters often have severe performance compromises. 
> There's at least one
>    very new radio on the market with a panadapter that takes over the 
> rig during sweeps.
>    Many of them are sluggish or have user-interface issues due to lack 
> of panel space.
>    Our external panadapter will be an entirely independent unit, so it 
> will not interfere
>    with radio use at all, either operationally or due to overloading 
> of controls.
>    That said, it will be highly integrated with, and controlled by, 
> the K3 (or
>    attached computer).
>
>  - We may use a display technology that offers faster rewrite speeds 
> than you can get
>    in an inexpensive graphic LCD such as the type most often used for 
> internal panadapters.
>    With the panadapter in a separate enclosure, we'll be able to use 
> very fast logic,
>    and possibly an exotic display such as an OLED (organic LED), 
> without incurring
>    any RFI problems.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
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