Puzzling where this comes from.

If the voters are to vote, they still need to decide who to vote for.

These committees look like a lot of work - remember that there are many elections on a normal election day - some perhaps with districts as small as one precinct.

Cure for this nonsense is for most of the committee members to flip a coin, or equivalent, before voting.

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:24:30 -0400 Abd ulRahman Lomax wrote:

At 05:17 PM 9/14/2005, Simmons, Forest wrote:

(1) Pick 400 registered voters at random. Give them time off work, and have them study the candidates carefully and decide a tentative winner by some reputable method (like DMC, Shulze, Approval, Asset Voting, etc.) It will definitely be worth the time for these voters, since there will be an appreciable chance that their votes will be pivotal.

(2) Analyze the ballots from step 1 statistically. If the results are so decisive that there is less than a one percent chance that a different winner would emerge from the same method involving the entire electorate, then submit the tentative winner to the electorate for ratification by a Yes/No vote. [and more]


The idea of using a committee, essentially, to select a tentative winner is an excellent one, and parallels my own ideas in a way. If the committee is statistically unbiased, it should work. Tricky to ensure that, however.

It would be a good idea to have *any* election result that is below a clear and general consensus (supermajority definition not stated here) be submitted to a ratification vote. This effectively forces voters to approve or disapprove of the result. Thus, in the end, it is Approval which has been used, in a way, with a very significant tweak that deals with straight-ticket, truncated votes.

However, it might be advisable to allow more than one candidate on the runoff ballot. Top two (by undefined standards; what about Condorcet and Approval winners?) might be appropriate. More than that, we would start to get strategic voting in the runoff. Another option in the runoff might be () Start Over.

If a majority of the voters want to redo the whole election process, it should be their privilege. Presumably the existing office-holders would remain pending new results, or there could be statutory caretakers.

However, in my own concepts, instead of some abstract (or possibly corrupt) agency choosing voters at random, *the voters* choose representatives on the committee, through Delegable Proxy. The committee functions deliberatively, instead of aggregatively. The committee could be quite a bit smaller. And the result would *still* be subjected to a full vote by the general electorate. (Committee members would have variable voting power according to the votes they received. Alternatively, Asset Voting would be used to create a PR Committee that is almost fully representative, while being a peer committee, though this introduces constraints that produce the "almost."

In a DP committee, one member might represent a very large percentage of the electorate. If the committee size is fixed, this allows members to be elected to the committee who represent much smaller blocks of voters. This is why DP is more fully representative than Asset. However, there could be advantages to peer committees, in terms of the encouragement of collegiality.

In the end, the voters should choose their own election methods. And, again, DP is a way to do it that would be likely to produce an intelligent result, enjoying the broadest possible consensus.

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