Yes, I admitted a long time ago that I had your wacky CC definition at my website for quite a while. It is now mercifully gone. We've been over this several times, but it never seems to get through your solid granite skull.
By the way, we had absolutely no agreement, either written or implied in any way whatsoever, that you owned or had exclusive rights to any of the content on the site. Any such agreement is in your deluded imagination only. But I've already repeated that several times. When you don't want to hear something, you simply ignore it, just as you will ignore this and repeat the same old canard in a few months. I can almost guarantee it.
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MIKE OSSIPOFF nkklrp-at-hotmail.com |EMlist| wrote:
I'd said:
"Approval would pass CC if CC were defined votes-only, as you yourself said."
Nonsense. Any reasonable definition of the Condorcet Criterion...
I reply:
Nonsense. I'm not interested in Russ's subjective judgement about what is "reasonable". Anyway, regrettably the discussion hadn't been only about reasonable criteria, by my own subjective judgement.
Russ continues:
...either assumes that ranking is allowed or says so explicitly.
I reply:
Russ, you had at your website for years a CC definition that didn't "assume that ranking is allowed or [say] so explicitly", stupid.
addressed above.
You've just recently discoverd that that CC definition wasn't "reasonable"? Yes, you concidentally discovered that right after I told you that you no longer had premission to have it at your website.
I didn't need your permission and still don't need your permission to use any of the material at the site that I essentially created and that we worked on together. I have since cut most of your material because it was crap. Call a lawyer and find out for yourself.
My preference version of CC doesn't say or "assume" that rankings are allowed. It makes no mention of methods' rules, and it applies to all methods.
The difficult thing about replying to Russ is that first one has to guess what he's trying to say:
What does it mean for a criterion to say that ranking is allowed? Maybe Russ is trying to say that the criterion stipulates in its premise that it only applies to rank methods. Or maybe he means that its requirement requires that the method be a rank method, otherwise the method fails. Who knows which he means? Who cares?
You're brilliant, Mike. Now you want to get into legalistic quibbling about what it means to say that "ranking is allowed"? Unbelievable! I also said "ordinal methods," Mike. Do you know what that means, genius?
And, when a "reasonable" criterion doesn't say that, it "assumes" it, Russ tells us. What does it mean for a criterion to assume something that it doesn't say?? People assume things, but I've never heard of a criterion assuming something unsaid. But maybe Russ does. And if Russ thinks that people assume that reasonable CC definitions mean something that they don't say, presumably Russ knows that by using ESP.
Take a look at Blake Cretney's web page, Mike, and try to learn something. Here is what you will find:
Name: Condorcet Criterion
Application: Ranked Ballots
Definition:
If an alternative pairwise beats every other alternative, this alternative must win the election.
Seems pretty straightforward to me.
Mike, I actually have some sympathy for your mental disorder, but not enough to put up with your garbage. James and Markus can reply politely to your insults all they want, and I respect them for what they are willing to endure and yet maintain civility, but I don't have the tempermant for it. Sorry, I'm not a saint.
You're an asshole to the core, Mike, and you don't have a clue about what is really needed for a good public election method.
By the way, has anyone else noticed that everyone on EM seems to manage to communicate respectfully except when dealing with Mike?
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