WV and its enhancements could be called 1st generation best methods. Approval combines FBC and WDSC, but when FBC is added to wv's better criteria, that counts as a new kind of merit, a 2nd generation of best methods.

It had never occurred to me that MMPO would meet FBC, because wv and margins don't meet FBC. Maybe it's partly the fact that we're so used to hearing that the Condorcet Critrerion is important, that we just habitually accepted CC-complying methods even though that's causing them to fail FBC.

As you pointed out earlier, MMPO meets SFC. And, with AERLO, it meets SDSC too. In fact, with AERLO, methods that meet FBC meet Strong FBC--at least in regards to 1st choice ranking. As you said, that's the important aspect of FBC compliance.

So: FBC, SFC, and SDSC, all with one method.

These FBC-complying methods came along at just the right time, right after I'd found out for myself that some, many, or most progressive voters are going to feel a need for favorite-burial in rank methods. Australia's experience showed that too. They say that in Australia it isn't that people know IRV's failings, so much as that people are using Plurality strategy with IRV. But the fact remains that they often _will_ need that strategy with IRV. And you or someone showed that wv fails FBC. That means that it isn't possible to reassure people that there's never a need to bury their favorite.

And I'd just been expressing concern a day or two ago, about choosing between SDSC and FBC. Because SDSC could help if progressives will always be too timid to stop giving Approval votes or top CR ratings to the Democrat; but SDSC won't do any good if progressives can't keep from ranking Democrat over Nader because of lack of FBC compliance. But if it's possible to meet both of those criteria, that's the best of all.

With an FBC-complying method, like MMPO, that assurance could be given and emphasized: "You can't possibly hurt SleazeDean's chances of winning by ranking Nader or Camejo equal to him" (Or "...by ranking Nader or Camejo over him and applying AERLO below him.")

You didn't name the 2nd method you defined yesterday. But it's more complicated than MMPO. AERLO could be added to MMPO in a subsequent public proposal, so that the 1st proposal could be plain MMPO.

If I refer to it here, I'll just call it the 2nd method. It's true that a majority who prefer X to Y can keep Y out of set S by just ranking X over Y, and Y over no one. But what if X is in a viscious majorilty cycle, added-to by voters other than the X>Y voters? Might S not be empty? So that method's SDSC compliance could come at the cost of indecisiveness. I don't know. That could be incorrect. It's just my first impression.

Anyway, I like the simplicity of MMPO.

The 2nd generation of best methods has arrived.

Mike Ossipoff

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