Kevin--

MMPO has a couple of grave problems: It's indecisive and it fails
the Plurality criterion.

I reply:

First the indecisiveness:

For obvious practical reasons, when we write examples, we don't write the ballot of each voter in a large public election. We describe the ballots of a few factions, with the simplifying assumption that, within each factrion, eveyone's ballot is the same.

With such examples, it's easy for MMPO to have a tie. And yes, that's a kind of indecisiveness that wv doesn't have.

But would it happen in a public election? All it would take is for one voter to not vote exactly like the others in his/her faction. I claim that MMPO's indecisiveness examples won't happen in public elections with thousands of voters.

So I don't agree that MMPO has a grave problem with indecisiveness.

...but tMMWV's indecisiveness _will_ happen in large public elections, when there's some indifference or truncation.

And tMMWV's t-matrix adds complication, adds another rule to MMWV.

So tMMWV is more complicated than MMWV (That's PC), while MMPO is considerably simpler than MMWV, because it doesn't need the preliminary definitions that all wv and margins methods need, including MMWV. In fact MMPO can be defined in one sentence (but not unambiguously by the 1-sentence definition that I posted).

MMPO makes IRV look like a Rube Goldberg contraption.

MMPO must be the simplest, most briefly-defined rank method there is. MMPO makes rank-balloting a lot more proposable than it would otherwise be.

The trouble with rank methods is that there are innumerable ways to count rank ballots. Someone can say "But what makes your rank-count the best?" People will always suspect that you're advocating a particular rank-count because of personal bias, and will be bewildered by the great variety of rank-counts.

But MMPO, being the simplest and briefest, has a special position among the rank-counts. No longer can someone accuse you of arbitrariness.

Sure, someone could ask why you use votes-against, instead of votes-for. But that can be answered: It's for the lesser-of-2-evils voters, who insist on effectively voting against someone, on voting against someone and having it count against that candidate as strongly as possible, to do everything possible to keep that greater-evil from winning. The counting of votes-against is a concession to the lesser-of-2-evils voters, of whom there are very many.

I don't live in Australia, but I do live in the U.S., and I can tell you that lesser-of-2-evils favorite-burial is rampant, based on my many conversations with otherwise-progressive
voters who vote for Democrats though they prefer Nader.

Now, about the Plurality Criterion:

Doesn't it say: X must not win if the number of people voting Y in 1st place is greater than the number of peope voting X over Y?

I don't understand why that's essential. I don't understand why failing that is a grave problem.

Every criterion sounds plausible, and, for every criterion, failure doesn't sound right.

But will failure of the Plurality Criterion cause a strategy problem for voters? Will it make them vote in a way that gives the election away and conceals what they really want? No one has made a case that the Plurality Criterion is essential, or that failing it is a grave problem.

Mike Ossipoff

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