On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 00:46:04 -0400 Warren Smith wrote:
Dave K:
Range voting is very robustly the best among about 30 systems tried including
a couple condorcet systems according to my giant
comparative Bayesian regret study in 2000. OK, maybe you can attack that.
Maybe you can say I did not put in your favorite system or favorite
voting strategy. (Some of the systems I am being attacked for, were not even
invented at the time I did the study.) Those attacks don't matter:
The bottom line is, you should now be convinced range is pretty damn good - even
if not the tippy top best among all possible systems ever proposed r
that ever will be proposed, it clearly is in the top few percent - as far
as quality is concerned, and it
does not seem to exhibit any major exploitable weaknesses since
it scored top in EVERY one of 144 different parameter settings.
Who says this, other than you as inventor bragging about how good you claim
your child can run?
What is the definition of range voting?
In the paragraphs I dropped I read that you did Condorcet margins for
method comparison, while others agree that wv is a stronger contender.
You also excluded equal ranking - another component of "normal" Condorcet
that makes it more attractive to many.
Also range (with single digit scores)
can be adopted right now on every voting machine in the USA without
any modification necessary. The worst you can say is on some machine types
it would be inconvenient. (And this adoptibility is false for IRV & Condorcet.)
This is even more of a stretch than many of the sales pitch paragraphs. How
can this be made to hap
pen?
I did go back and look at the site more carefully.
It has heard of NY and lever machines - exactly what I vote on and think
about. Says they are able to handle elections with up to 300 candidates.
With range chewing up slots 10 times as fast as plurality, capacity
shrinks to 30 candidates.
Enough for a special election, but not enough for a normal general
election, so SOMETHING would have to be modified to do range here.
NOTE: This, itself, is not that big a deal, but I am trying to make the
point that the inventor bragging needs to be sobered up with some serious
analysis looking for problems.
DWK
--WDS REPLY: Sorry. You can get your questions answered by going to the
CRV web site http://math.temple.edu/~wds/crv/RangeVoting.html.
That site deifnes exactly what range voting is, on the front page.
My recent argument that range voting is something all voting reform
advocates MUST unify behind, EVEN if they prefer something else, is
there (click "forced" on left) in more detail than I presented it here
on EM. Fewer grammar errors too.
My study comparing different voting systems via Bayesian regret
was http://math.temple.edu/~wds/homepage/works.html #56.
Since I am not the "inventor" of range voting, my "bragging about
my invention" claim is a false hypothesis by you. (I did invent the *name*
"range voting" though. :) The CRV web page also explains how to do
it on plurality machines without modification: Click VotingMachines on the
left.
You are correct my sim study did not include wv-condorcet as a contender.
because equal rankings were not allowed by my sim study, and full rankings
of all candidates were demanded, it followed that
margins and wv both always give the same results. You may object to that
and regard it as a limitiation of the sim study. You may be right about
that. My sim study was mainly based on voting systems described in books and
papers.
I still have not seen wv-condorcet with equality rankings described in a book,
much less in books available in 1999. I must apologize for my
lack of foresight. Nevertheless, my sim study does suffice for the purpose
of seeing range voting is pretty damn good compared to all systems in that study
of which there were about 30, and also for the purpose of QUANTIFYING how good
it is.
The CRV web page also allows you to BE a range voter by clicking "try demo"
on the left. Try it and see what you think.
wds
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