So even if many people started insincere random ranking extension, that wouldn't make Votes-Against (VA) like Margins. Order-reversal, as I've described, would be a piece of cake in Margins, in comparison to VA. Also, there hasn't been posted an example of how the insincere random ranking extension would cause a problem for a Condorcet winner, or cause a majority rule violation. The result of the random ranking? Say there's some indifference in the Condorcet winner's pairwise comparisons, and say those indifferent voters rank randomly. Since it's random it will tend to cancel out, & the CW will still beat everyone. And even if it were done concertedly, not randomly, it would have the effect, and carry the penaly, of order-reversal. No new problem. Mike
