11/08/02 - RE: [EM] Need IRV examples - Voting Show: Greetings List members,
James of course is correct, but why isn't that obvious to anyone else? James is like a breath of fresh air. (this list needs a breath of fresh air). I find it amusing when these cult members expose themselves. The sad part is that they don't feel they have said anything wrong. It's like when MikeO talks about his special defination of `Majority', he too doesn't feel he is saying anything wrong. These Condorcet and Approval Voting members of `The Cult' pretend to be educated and so intelligent, so it is good to see behind the mask and know they have Shine-Ola for brains (so would that make them only so-so intelligent). All this talk about Consistency and Monotonicity violations is nothing more than gobbledegook to hid the fact that they are trying to decive the public into rejecting Irving and accepting some deceptive method like Condorcet or Approval Voting (or one of their many variants). I never noticed this example before. I now see that I should pay more attention to EM letters, I'm missing out on the humor on this list. Anyway, what needs to be said is that Forest's letter has been on this list for one whole week and not one member of `The Cult' said that there was anything wrong with it. That means that they are either `circling the wagons' or else, they too think it is a good example to use to bad mouth Irving (either way that proves they are all so-so intelligent). The policy seems to be that any member of `The Cult' is free to say anything, no matter how outlandish, and the fellow travelers of `The Cult' will not object, they may even defend. For example, this Bart guy rushes in where angels fear to tread and exposes himself in a vain attempt to defend the example. No one should light a lantern to look for an honest man in `The Cult', one cannot be found in there. James of course is an honest man (that could be a problem on the EM list). Donald Davison - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Subject: [EM] Need IRV examples - Voting Show: On the 30th of October, Rob LeGrand asked for voting examples for a Voting Show. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Subject: RE: [EM] Need IRV examples - Voting Show: (date unknown - post lost in the black hole of delete) Forest wrote: > Rob here's an inconsistency example adapted from message 7642 of the EM > archives: > > First Precinct: > 190 SHA 140 HAS 120 AHS > > Second Precinct: > 150 SHA 170 HAS 230 AHS > > According to IRV, candidate H wins decisively in both precincts, > but (according to IRV) candidate A wins decisively when the results from > both precincts are combined. > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Subject: [EM] Need IRV examples - Voting Show: On Sun, 3 Nov 2002, James Gilmour wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see the inconsistency here at all. You either have two separate elections (Precinct 1 and Precinct 2) OR you have one election in which electors happen to vote within their local precincts. If you have ONE election (precincts combined), the "results" within any individual precinct are irrelevant. Only one result matters - the result obtained by tabulating all the votes together. It should be no surprise to anyone that if you subsequently cut some sub-sets from the whole set, you can get all sorts of different "results". But none of these is relevant to the election. James - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Regards, Donald Davison, host of New Democracy at http://www.mich.com/~donald Candidate Election Methods +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ | Q U O T A T I O N | | "Democracy is a beautiful thing, | | except that part about letting just any old yokel vote." | | - Age 10 - | +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Please be advised that sending email to me allows me to quote from it and/or forward the entire email to others. ---- For more information about this list (subscribe, unsubscribe, FAQ, etc), please see http://www.eskimo.com/~robla/em
