On Aug 16, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Juho wrote:

I was thinking of the regular political parties that otherwise exist in the country but that are not relevant in these school elections.

 But you
cannot have "lists" without some comparable formal procedures. And in any event, "basic lists" are never sufficient, if you believe that the essence of representative democracy is allowing the voters to select their representatives as freely as possible.

It is a positive target to allow voters to select their representatives as freely as possible. There are however also other criteria (e.g. simplicity, clarity), and in these school elections also simple lists might well be sufficient. (I don't see lists as a necessity in these school elections but as an option that would probably work well enough.)

 Lists of
any kind will always be constraining. And they are unnecessary (as well as, in my view, undesirable).

Constraining in the sense of not being most flexible, yes. Why do you see lists as undesirable?

What problem are they solving? My local school board and city council elections under STV would have five seats open, and based on the experience of the last few years, maybe ten candidates. If candidates want to run as slates, and encourage a particular ranking, they're free to do that; they do that now with FPTP elections. Voters have unconstrained choice (within the set of candidates, anyway). Interposing lists between the voters and the candidates seems like an extra and unnecessary layer of complication.

I can see that direct ranking would be burdensome if California (say) were to use at-large STV for the entire state assembly, and have 80 open seats and hundreds of candidates on a single ballot. But STV proposals are typically more modest than that, with districts having on the order of 5-9 seats. ----
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