On Aug 19, 2008, at 20:11 , Michael Allan wrote:
Juho wrote, in thread PR favoring racialminorities:
... I was also thinking about trees that offer more detailed
grouping of the candidates.
I just spoke with someone at Texas Tech. We were discussing how
cascade voting might be used to elect a proportional assembly.
Basically, you just take the roots and branches of the trees (straight
from the election results) and that's your assembly. Is this roughly
what you guys are proposing, in this sub-thread?
Basic tree based methods could be maybe easiest to see as extensions
of basic open list systems. Instead of having just flat lists those
lists could consist of more detailed groupings. And those groups
could in turn be optionally split in groups. Each candidate belongs
to one of the groups (let's say only to the last layer of the groups
(allowing individual candidates also in the groups closer to the root
could be arranged)).
The trees are based on candidate opinions and are constructed already
before the actual election (so the voters will know the initial set-
up) (assuming non-continuous elections here). The votes of the
candidates are just regular votes that do not impact the destiny of
the votes of those voters that voted this candidate.
Seat allocation should be as well straight forward in this basic tree
method. First allocate seats to the top level lists/groups based on
the number of votes of each group. The number of votes of each group
is the sum of votes of its subgroups+candidates. Then allocate the
seats using the same method to the subgroups of each top level group.
And so on until we reach the candidates. Those candidates that have
highest number votes within their group will be elected.
The tree structure could also change after the initial round (e.g.
due to some representative moving to a different party). That could
lead to changes in the votes (now assuming continuous elections).
This description of the basic tree method assumed that the
intermediate nodes would not be candidates but just "groups". If one
wants to see the nodes of the tree as "key candidates" then the
election method could first elect the candidate(s) sitting at the
node and only then distribute the remaining seats to the branches.
This would make the method one step closer to closed lists (where the
party determines the order in which candidates are elected). (This
explanation of the various combinations of the cascade method and
basic tree method is getting complex. But I hope you got the idea.
Basic trees are simple. Could be extended in various ways.)
Juho
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[This] solution depends on the candidate rankings, as revealed by the
election results. For example, here are the current rankings in a
demo election (in this case, for a Mayor):
http://zelea.com:8080/votodemo/w/?wicket:bookmarkablePage=%
3Avotorola.a.election.WP_Count&s=demo-mayor
Or see the screen shot:
http://zelea.com/project/votorola/a/web/_/guide/results.png
(These results are unrealistic. The voters are mostly computer
drones, and there's only a single cascade - 100% of the votes
flowing to the leading candidate. Normally there'd be many
cascades.)
What you see in the rankings (above) corresponds to the roots, and to
the thickest branches of the cascades, as they exist at a particular
moment in time. For illustration, in the smaller election below, the
top-ranked candidates are X, W, N and M (left cascade), and J and H
(right).
(I) (K) (L)
\ 1 | 1 /
\ | / 1 (A) (B)
(P) (O) \ | / | 1 /
(R) \ 1 | \|/ | / 1
\ 1 \ | 1 (M) | /
\ \ | | | / (E) (F)
\ \| | 4 |/ | 1 /
1 \ (Q) | (C) | / 1
(S)-----(T) \ 3 | | | /
\ 3 \ | | 3 |/
\ \ | | (H)-----(G)
\ \ | (D) | / 1
1 2 \ \| \ 1 | /
(U)-----(V)-----(W) (N) \ | / 4
\ 6 / \ | /
\ / 8 \|/
\ / (J)
\ /
(X) 8
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The solution is to call an election for a proportional assembly... and
use the ranked results to populate the seats (N seats). If we open
the voting to the entire jurisdiction... and take the top N candidates
(rank 1 to N) from the results, enrolling them in the assembly, then
the membership will accurately reflect the structure of the
electorate. If N=6, for instance, the current members of the assembly
are:
X, W, N, M (left side) J, H (right)
We could re-enroll the assembly at frequent intervals. People will be
continually shifting their votes as new information becomes available
to them, and the rankings may shift as a result.
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My own work is aimed at using a delegate cascade to open actual
legislation, policies, and so forth, to direct voting. But it's
interesting to consider how it might interplay with PR elections.
--
Michael Allan
Toronto, 647-436-4521
http://zelea.com/
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