Raph Frank wrote:
On 8/22/08, Kristofer Munsterhjelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 If I understand Schulze's STV method correctly, it calculates vote
management strengths and so does vote management on behalf of the voter and
on all candidates. I may be wrong, though, and Schulze STV uses a very large
amount of memory for elections with many candidates and winners. Still, it
shows the possibility of having a method that resists vote management.

That is interesting.  I have had a look at his paper, but
the method itself seems pretty complex.

Is there a simple/basic explanation of the method?

You would have to ask Schulze that. I don't know of any, at least.

- capturing a greater proportion of personal votes for the party

Any surplus of a candidate who easily reaches
quota will be a mix of personal and party votes.
Thus some of the votes that went to a party member
will end up being transferred away.

If less party supporters vote for the candidate, then
they can be used at full strength for other party members.
This means that that the party gets better use of the personal
vote of the member.

This is the vote management version of Hylland free
riding.  Party voters are en mass downgrading their
top choice as he is likely to get elected anyway.

Meek's method solves the first problem by adjusting the quota
and CPO-STV solves the 2nd problem by not eliminating anyone.
The 3rd one like Hylland free-riding on an individual level is
very hard to fix.  (Schulze aims for equality of effect rather than
trying to eliminate it).

If it turns out that we can't get rid of Hylland free-riding, then equality of effect might be the best thing to have: while it degrades the performance of the method, hopefully it won't degrade it too much, and it'll keep the dynamics from going in the wrong direction of encouraging party centralization.

Meek's method also solves Woodall free-riding, though I'm not
sure if there is a vote management method that takes advantage
of it.  A party would need to flood the constituency with 'no-hope'
candidates so there is enough of them for all of their supporters
to vote for.  That might be a little to obvious, but it could work.

Schulze considered the case with write-in candidates. Obscure write-ins are pretty much ensured not to win, and could be used as Woodall free-riding dummies. He then checked an STV election where write-ins were permitted (the city council of Cambridge, MA), but found no obvious evidence of Woodall free-riding.

See the free-riding section of http://m-schulze.webhop.net/schulze2.pdf .

None of your party's supporter's votes would be wasted electing
candidates for other parties who get elected on the first count.

At least not until the other parties do the same. The absurd result would be an STV election with thousands of candidates, none of which can win, getting eliminated at the start of the election before the "real" candidates appear.
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