Ralph, Thank you.
Wow. I just realized - What an absolute arithmetic complicated mess or arbitrarily unfair system this will be whenever the third choice votes of voters must be transferred in this same split-vote manner. Has anyone described the mathematical formulas for transferring excess votes above the threshold amounts by using a mathematical system that accurately reflects all voters rankings or has this only been done by using the arbitrary unfair (inaccurate) random selection of ballots method when it comes to using voters' third or lower rankings in these multi-seat elections? Kathy On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Raph Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/23/08, Kathy Dopp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Does anyone know of another election scheme that allows for the split >> of a vote into fractions? Do other jurisdictions with IRV use >> fractions to transfer surplus votes over a threshold amount, other >> than Minneapolis? >> > > I am not sure exactly what you are asking here, all STV systems have > some way of fractionally transfering the surplus. > > In Ireland, for the Dail, the votes to transfer is determined randomly. > > However, it is based on the next choice on each ballot. > > So, assume a candidate obtained 11,000 votes and there was a quota of 10,000. > > The ballots would then be divided into piles based on the next choice. > It might work out as > > Pile A) 1230 > Pile B) 6120 > Pile C) 2650 > > Surplus 1000 > > Randomly, 123 ballots would be picked from pile A, 612 from pile B and > 265 from pile C. > > This means that even though they are random, the first transfer is > accurate to a single ballot. > > - Re-reading your original post, I think the Seanad rules in Ireland > might be what you are looking for. > > Each voter effectively casts 1000 votes. This allows fractional > transfers accurate to 1/1000th of a vote. > -- Kathy Dopp The material expressed herein is the informed product of the author Kathy Dopp's fact-finding and investigative efforts. Dopp is a Mathematician, Expert in election audit mathematics and procedures; in exit poll discrepancy analysis; and can be reached at P.O. Box 680192 Park City, UT 84068 phone 435-658-4657 http://utahcountvotes.org http://electionmathematics.org http://electionarchive.org How to Audit Election Outcome Accuracy http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/paper-audits/VoteCountAuditBillRequest.pdf History of Confidence Election Auditing Development & Overview of Election Auditing Fundamentals http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/paper-audits/History-of-Election-Auditing-Development.pdf Voters Have Reason to Worry http://utahcountvotes.org/UT/UtahCountVotes-ThadHall-Response.pdf ---- Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
