At 10:30 PM 11/8/2008, Kathy Dopp wrote:
Abd ul,

From what I can tell, having read all of the affidavits and responses
of the plaintiffs (but not being an attorney), the case against IRV is
only in very small part based on BvS, and is based more on the
requirements of the US and Minnesota constitutions that IRV/STV
violate.

Here is the problem they face: the matter has been tested many times. The only state which has found, to my knowledge, preferential voting to be unconstitutional, per se, is Minnesota, through Brown v. Smallwood. STV has been in long use. Instant Runoff Voting has been in long use.

The plaintiff argues rights that only Brown v. Smallwood previously found. They also argue a totally new right, the "right to associate" with a candidate, and they raise issues of ideology, which likewise have no foundation in constitutional law and are entirely new, as far as I know.

The only grounds they have of any reasonable likelihood of prevailing is that IRV is preferential voting and Brown v. Smallwood explicitly outlawed preferential voting, not merel the specific method used in Duluth, Bucklin voting.

The rights the plaintiffs are asserting, quite simply, don't exist, or at least there is no legal precedent for them, except for Brown v. Smallwood.

"The case against IRV" which is being presented is essentially that it is a punk method, that it is hard to audit, etc. These are issues which are normally resolved, in the absence of specific legislation, by deliberative bodies or procedures. I.e., the judge is either the elected representatives of the people, or the people themselves in the initiative process. The courts will not second-guess the decisions of those, discarding them in favor of invented or newly discovered rights. There are exceptions, where courts have reinterpreted previous constitutional rights to include new territory. Same-sex marriage. Privacy rights. Etc.

However, that's not the rule. Brown v. Smallwood, which likewise invented a new right, the right of a voter to vote for the candidate of the candidate's choice, without "interference" from votes from other voters, was idiosyncratic and not confirmed by any other court in the many years that have elapsed. Preferential voting has been used in many places. The only other example I know of it being terminated by an unconstitutionality decision was Oklahome, where the decision hinged not on the concept of preferential voting, but on the fractional vote values they assigned to lower preferences.

There is a superficial resemblance in the Oklahoma decision to the vote fractions used in multiwinner STV, but they are really entirely different. The fractional votes in Oklahoma had the effect of giving those who preferred a minor candidate less say in the "real election." Whereas STV uses fractional votes to preserve the value of the voter's vote while not being unfair to others. That is, STV fractional votes make it happen that a voter more commonly exercises one full vote in the election that actually has an effect. This is opposite to the Oklahoma case.

It may be very likely that BvS could be overturned, yet IRV/STV still
declared unconstitutional on grounds that would *not* apply to most
other alternative voting methods.

It's highly unlikely. Either BvS will be confirmed (which is a loss for election reform) or it will be entirely discarded and IRV will be allowed, as it has been allowed everywhere else. There is a possibility, though, that, if FairVote arguments prevail, BvS will be confirmed, but considered not to apply to IRV because of its Later No Harm compliance. That would be bad law. BvS did not depend or hinge on Later No Harm. The possible mention of it was dicta, not central, and not repeated in the restatements of the grounds for the decision. Other statements made it clear that the very idea of a voter voting for one, faced with other voters voting many alternate preferences, was rejected by the court.

Don't mistake this for an opinion that the BvS court was correct. It wasn't, it was a travesty of a decision. But it is law in Minnesota, until and unless overturned.

I read the plaintiff's arguments carefully. They are defective and mostly are claims that IRV has this or that supposedly bad characteristic -- or, for that matter, really bad characteristic -- but such problems don't make the method unlawful. The Court, to find IRV unconstitutional, would have to find Plurality and Top Two Runoff unconstitutional -- unless it relies on the BvS precedent, in which case it would continue to prohibit all forms of preferential voting.

Note that the BvS court said that election method performance, or the superiority of preferential voting -- which it practically acknowledged -- wasn't the issue. The issue was that a change like that involved in bringing preferential voting was, to them, a constitutional change requiring a constitutional amendment. The court challenged the Bucklin supporters to go through that process. And, apparently, the reformers didn't. I've seen no record of any effort to try. But it was a long time ago.

Pigs may fly, and legal surprises come even more frequently, but the best reason I can give why I expect that a new basis for prohibiting STV isn't going to be found in Minnesota is that STV has been used in, according to Wikipedia, 22 American cities, mostly in the first half of the twentieth century. See the articles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_and_use_of_the_Single_Transferable_Vote#United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_US_cities_that_have_used_STV

There was long opportunity to challenge it. IRV was challenged in Michigan, when it was implemented in Ann Arbor, and the challenge was rejected. The various implementations of preferential voting, which include the Bucklin form as well as IRV and STV, were lost not because of legal problems, usually, but because of political action. In Ann Arbor, the Republicans, understandably upset that IRV had allowed a Democrat to win the mayor's office, whereas they had been accustomed to enjoying the benefits of vote splitting due to the Human Rights Party, ran an initiative to can IRV and prevailed. Was it a coincidence that the initiative election was scheduled while students, a big part of the electorate that, and particular of the Human Rights Party membership, were out of town? Probably. Surely a reputable political party like the Republicans would not stoop to an anti-democratic trick like that....

STV, for proportional representation, provides far better democratic access to election than existing systems. Ruling it unconstitutional, on the basis of real or asserted flaws, would be perverse, just as the original Brown v. Smallwood decision was perverse. The example election clearly showed how Bucklin worked, assembling a majority for the winner. The only reason the plaintiff's candidate didn't win is that supporters of Smallwood, some of them, had a different favorite. Under Plurality, usually, most of these would have voted for Smallwood, I suspect. People understand that our voting systems don't reward naive vote-for-your-favorite, end of question. It's entirely possible that if the method hadn't been Bucklin, there would have been fewer candidates. Clearly Smallwood would have prevailed in a two-candidate election. So why should the existence of other candidates cause Smallwood to lose?

The reason that the Minnesota court gave was pretty frustrating to this reader. They first noted that what mattered was the number of voters, not the number of marks on the ballot. Then, in examining the Duluth election, they noted that the number of marks exceeded the number of voters, and obviously they considered this a problem. Smallwood was supported by the most voters, period. That should have been the end of it. Instead the Smallwood court invented an entirely new right to be free of interference from the second or subsequent choices of other voters. Instead of considering the voting process as a means of determining what candidate is supported by the most voters (i.e., would prevail in a contest with all others, pairwise), they seem to have decided that it was a means for individual voter expression, a "freedom" of some kind. There was an excellent dissent written, it's well worth reading the entire decision, you can find it by googling "Brown v. Smallwood" -- a copy is hosted by rangevoting.org.

Apparently the large weight of legal opinion at the time, in Minnesota, was that preferential voting was constitutional. The court explicitly disregarded that. They also explicitly disregarded the precedents of other courts.

So, now, the plaintiffs suing the City of Minneapolis are, you think, likely to prevail against such weight of opinion? It still exists. There is lots of precedent in other states. To me, the mystery is why Brown v. Smallwood has lasted for so long.

It might be because Top Two Runoff is actually a pretty good method. It has one obvious flaw, but it also has some excellent characteristics, largely overlooked by voting systems theorists. As a potentially two-stage method, it brings more voter information and intelligence to the process. And if write-ins are allowed, a moderately awakened electorate can use Top Two Runoff to find Condorcet winners, providing that preference strength is sufficient to warrant the effort. As I've been mentioning, simply because the fact seems to be little known, the mayor of Long Beach was re-elected in a runoff election where the mayor, plurality in the primary, was still prohibited from being on the runoff ballot (I'd say that was bad law!), then gained a plurality again in the runoff. (A majority was not reached because there was a second write-in candidate who got significant votes, enough to keep the mayor just below a majority.)

And the flaws of Top Two Runoff could be fixed. The basic idea is to attempt, at least, to require a majority for election. This, for starters, takes the method outside of the realm of Arrow's Theorem. If a majority is absolutely required, in fact, and if write-ins are allowed, the method will never elect anything other than a Condorcet winner, practically by definition. If not, *the reasons are political, not due to the election method itself.*

But probably completing an election in a reasonable period of time, even though in majority-required elections -- this is the norm for Robert's Rules -- long series of ballots are rare, would be considered more important than absolute insistence on a majority. Using, then, advanced voting methods in the primary and possibly in the runoff, methods which are more likely to find a majority, could make sense.

For example, Bucklin finds majorities more efficiently than Instant Runoff Voting, which finds them more efficiently than FPTP (Plurality). Requiring full ranking always finds what the Australians call an "absolute majority," but it really only does this by coercing votes, on pain of one's vote being disregarded as informal.

Bucklin could be used for a primary. If no majority is found, the top two candidates, after all ranks have been pulled in, could be on the ballot in a runoff, but the runoff could be Approval. This would allow voters to vote for a write-in *without risk*, if they prefer a candidate that was eliminated in the primary (or that appeared late). But, of course, these are all forms of preferential vote. Even Approval is a kind of alternative vote. ("If not A, then B," at the same time as the voter is saying "If not B, then A." (The voter gains flexibility, but loses the discrimination between A and B. So you don't vote this way if the difference between A and B seriously matters to you and you think your favorite might win.)

Voting is dangerous.

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