At 06:41 AM 12/18/2008, Peter Barath wrote:
>So my Square Vote proposal gets this simple:
>
>- Every voter pays whatever she wants to the treasury.
>- The square roots are counted.
>- Biggest sum wins.

Sorry, I failed again to invent something new. As someone
kindly informed me, this

"...proposal has a resemblance to

Hylland, A., Zeckhauser, R., August 1979. A
mechanism for selecting public goods when
preferences must be elicited. Tech. Rep. KSG
Discussion Paper 70D, Harvard University.

which is mentioned, among other places, at
http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/3964/

Peter Barath

Nice to see Dhillon and Mertens, Relative Utilitarianism, mentioned. I found the paper at the link above a tad frustrating. It uses the concept of a penalty to be applied if one is a pivotal voter, and I found the solution (to the alleged problem of strategic voting in Range) to be worse than the disease.

I like the square root idea. I don't like the lottery concept here.... "Square root" is not necessarily the proper weighting function, but it's a nice start. The voter submits a Range ballot and pays a voluntary tax. The money goes to the public treasury. The voter's ballot is weighted by the tax paid, according to the transfer function (here, square root of the payment.)

But what seems to have been missed is that there is already a "tax" that is paid by all voters. They show up and vote, and don't want to waste their vote. Range Voting already covers this, really.

But the whole concept of voting on a large scale, without far better methods of deliberation, needs re-examination. As some readers may know, I've put a lot of thought and writing into Free Association/Delegable Proxy (FA?DP) democracy. FAs can't be governments, and vice-versa, but some aspects of an FA/DP system could be used governmentally.

Governments are going to coercively collect taxes, or they aren't. Or they may reduce coercion and increase voluntary participation. The idea that a Clarke tax would favor the wealthy is knee-jerk, it's not based on evidence. As they say about the poor: "God must love the poor, because he made so many of them." Many small contributions from non-wealthy individuals can swamp what wealthy individuals can contribute. When a society has gone so far out of balance that the "collective wealth" of the ordinary citizens is swamped by the concentrated wealth of individuals, it's probably highly unstable. The citizens wake up and tear the system down, walking away from the "wealth" of the few, which is dependent upon the continued cooperation of the many.

For voluntary cooperation, a kind of Clarke tax may well be appropriate. But we don't need Range, per se. We need delegable proxy, with an assigned contribution, so that, when making disbursement decisions, the person (or proxy) is spending what was voluntarily provided. These structures wouldn't make *people* decisions, in what Steiner called the "rights sphere." They would merely appropriate funds for defined projects. They would not prevent, per se, general taxation, but they might replace it, if it works. And if it doesn't, little would be lost.

A Range ballot might be useful for making distribution decisions among many alternatives. The voter would, in fact, be making a proportionate contribution to each project, up to the limit of what the voter has contributed. What to do with overfunding is obvious: the full "vote" isn't collected. Underfunding would take more thought....

But in a system like this, any "vote" is positive, an approval. There would be no negative Range expression here.

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