On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Terry Bouricius <[email protected]> wrote: > Kathy Dopp wrote: > > <snip> > since "abstentions or blanks" are from those who have not voted. > <snip>
To be more precise, I meant since abstentions or blanks are from those who have not voted IN THE ELECTION CONTEST. I certainly did not mean on the entire ballot as you interpreted. Since the normal meaning of a majority winner is a majority out of those who voted in the election contest, as per Robert's Rules, the false claim made by Fair Vote and other IRV/STV proponents that IRV/STV finds majority winners is deliberate deception. There is no other reasonable explanation. If Fair Vote and other IRV/STV proponents wanted to be precisely truthful, they would be modifying their claim as follows: "IRV/STV finds a majority winner OUT OF THE VOTERS WHOSE BALLOTS ARE NOT ELIMINATED BY THE FINAL IRV/STV COUNTING ROUND BECAUSE THEY HAPPENED TO VOTE FOR A CANDIDATE WHO IS LEFT IN THE FINAL IRV/STV COUNTING ROUND - AND IF A MAJORITY IS NOT FOUND IN ROUND ONE, THAN IRV/STV WINNERS USUALLY RECEIVE VOTES FROM LESS THAN A MAJORITY OF VOTERS WHO VOTED IN THE ELECTION CONTEST" Only then, could I consider that Fair Vote and other IRV/STV proponents are attempting to be honest rather than deliberately misleading. But then, I do place honesty at the top of my value system. -- Kathy Dopp The material expressed herein is the informed product of the author's fact-finding and investigative efforts. Dopp is a Mathematician, Expert in election audit mathematics and procedures; in exit poll discrepancy analysis; and can be reached at P.O. Box 680192 Park City, UT 84068 phone 435-658-4657 http://utahcountvotes.org http://electionmathematics.org http://kathydopp.com/serendipity/ Post-Election Vote Count Audit A Short Legislative & Administrative Proposal http://electionmathematics.org//ucvAnalysis/US/paper-audits/Vote-Count-Audit-Bill-2009.pdf History of Confidence Election Auditing Development & Overview of Election Auditing Fundamentals http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/paper-audits/History-of-Election-Auditing-Development.pdf Voters Have Reason to Worry http://utahcountvotes.org/UT/UtahCountVotes-ThadHall-Response.pdf ---- Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
