On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Jonathan Lundell <[email protected]> wrote:
> I know what you mean. I tried to automate STV with two tin cans and a > string, and got nowhere at all. STV sucks. > Jonathan, Don't know what you're trying to say. If you mean that a spreadsheet won't work to automatically count STV, then that just shows how nontransparent the STV counting process is that an ordinary citizen who doesn't do computer programming and have programming tools and training cannot with out huge effort and time check the accuracy of any STV election by simply checking the tally during the canvass period, even if all the individual ballot choices of every voter are publicly published. Other methods, such as Condorcet and certainly the easy range or approval are trivially easy to count with a spreadsheet. BTW, I am against using any method where voters can only cast one vote for filling two or more at-large seats because this takes away votes from the voter - especially when using a single STV vote method to fill two or more at-large seats where sometimes your second choice will never be counted, even though your first choice ends up losing and even though you would have, under the plurality method, been allowed to cast two votes to fill the two at-large seats as it should be. The more I've learned about STV and IRV, the more amazed I am that anyone would consider using such an unfair method in any election, especially to cast one vote for a multi-seat contest where your second choice may never even be counted. -- Kathy Dopp The material expressed herein is the informed product of the author's fact-finding and investigative efforts. Dopp is a Mathematician, Expert in election audit mathematics and procedures; in exit poll discrepancy analysis; and can be reached at P.O. Box 680192 Park City, UT 84068 phone 435-658-4657 http://utahcountvotes.org http://electionmathematics.org http://kathydopp.com/serendipity/ Post-Election Vote Count Audit A Short Legislative & Administrative Proposal http://electionmathematics.org//ucvAnalysis/US/paper-audits/Vote-Count-Audit-Bill-2009.pdf History of Confidence Election Auditing Development & Overview of Election Auditing Fundamentals http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/paper-audits/History-of-Election-Auditing-Development.pdf Voters Have Reason to Worry http://utahcountvotes.org/UT/UtahCountVotes-ThadHall-Response.pdf ---- Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
