On Feb 1, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Kathy Dopp wrote:

Again you misconstrue my position. Like virtually all computer
scientists who do not profit from selling or certifying computerized
voting systems (and even some who do), I believe that there should be
methods that average non-programming citizens can use to independently
check the accuracy of vote counts.

You on the other hand seem to desire to push for voting methods that
would not allow ordinary citizens to check the accuracy of election
results unless they hired a trusted computer programmer or unless a
100% hand count was done of every IRV/STV election and the ordinary
citizens are allowed to and have time to observe.

Suppose, for the sake of the argument, that as an ordinary citizen I don't trust the presidential count last November in California. If my only recourse is to observe a hand recount of every ballot, then there's not a lot of point in talking about verification by ordinary citizens. ----
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