Good Morning, Juho

re: "In this case there are also opportunities in campaigning
     before nomination."

In which case? In the case of the present system, where campaigning is used to 'sell' corrupt politicians to the people?


re: [my comment] "As you said to Kristofer Munsterhjelm on this
    thread (Thu, 26 Feb 2009), "The citizens should decide what
    to do, not just approve the proposals".  In the same way, the
    citizens should also decide who they want to represent them,
    not just approve the choices made by self-interested groups.
    [end of my comment]

    [To which you responded] "To me this is another independent
    and interesting question. (nomination vs. campaigning) (both
    can be party driven or party controlled)"

The point is that nominations should not be "party driven or party controlled". If our electoral process is to be democratic, it must be controlled by the people, not by parties.


re: "I presented the one-dollar-one-vote principle as a bad
     practice for elections."

Indeed, it is.


re: "I don't see campaigning as a problem in itself (although
     there may be problems in it, particularly since some sort of
     campaigning or at least "active information sharing" seems
     unavoidable.)"

Campaigning, in itself, is a problem because politicians must 'sell their soul' for campaign funds and because the act of campaigning debases the candidate. Campaigning is only unavoidable as long as you insist that 'selling' candidates to the people is a good thing. Once you move past that people-deceiving, rabble-rousing tactic and ask yourself if there are other ways for the people to carefully examine candidates, new and better methods present themselves.


re: "(Party controlled campaigning or party controlled nomination
     could have more problems.)"

Not "could have", "do have".


re: "I referred to your expression "He who pays the piper, calls
     the tune". And I intended to say simply that "extensive use
     of money" easily leads to corruption and doesn't support
     democracy in the best/intended way, and therefore is not a
     target to implement."

We have agreed that the need for money in the electoral process is corrupting. Can we now take that point as 'given'? If we can accept that simple ... and obvious ... fact, we can start a list of objectives for a more democratic electoral process with, "It must not place a financial burden on political candidates."


re: [my comment] "... the act of campaigning corrupts the
    candidate's psyche."

    [you responded] "Such risks can't be avoided."

Of course they can. If we design a process that does not require campaigning, the evils of campaigning will be avoided. To persuade yourself that such risks are unavoidable is to condone them. Instead of accepting them because they are an integral part of the present system, ought we not apply our intellect to the difficult task of devising a system that avoids them?


re: "People often have difficulties to think in any other way
     than the current way."

Only those willing to accept the label (often applied to voters in the United States) of being lazy or stupid have difficulty entertaining new ideas. I do not deny such people exist, but I'm confident there are enough thoughtful, creative people among us to build a better political system. The distribution of people with exemplary qualities is no less broad today than it was in the 18th century, when our Constitution was drawn.


re: "If the reform will be implemented using traditional
     political routes best efficiency might be reached by
     applying also marketing in various directions."

It will certainly need a broad range of talents, not least of which is the ability to encourage support by describing the concepts in a persuasive manner.


re: "Also a more direct approach may work, but only if the case
     is really solid and has natural support."

The best way to determine if it is really solid is to challenge it with rational arguments. Natural support will flow when our educational institutions look beyond the platitudes that harness academic inquiry to existing political structures; when they have the courage to objectively analyze the profoundly anti-democratic nature of partisan politics, and do so in spite of the storm of calumny their efforts are sure to unleash.

Fred Gohlke
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