On Nov 19, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:

Juho wrote:
Well, this approach is also complex in the sense that the general optimization algorithms may be as complex as you want, but the optimization algorithms are totally independent of the politics and the basic rules that determine what the final outcome should be (the criterion) can be quite simple and intuitive. (Additional criteria like favouring border lines that follow the borders of states or rivers etc. can be easily included in the agreed criterion. Maybe even higher cost of splitting cities etc.)

Splitline works because it's recursive. Any sort of divison algorithm where you can smoothly control the relative sizes of the two districts will work, also. Just subdivide into two, then freeze one and subdivide the other. After you're done, unfreeze the first (and so on). It may not produce the best result if the borders can move on the unfrozen areas, but should work.

As for general optimization, if you're dealing with an election method, then the optimization's approximation to the optimum (you can't ensure it'll reach the true optimum if there are multiple local optima and no additional structure) becomes a different rule itself. For instance, Borda is a 5-approximation to the optimal Kemeny ordering, but Borda is a completely different method from Kemeny.

If you're dealing with redistricting, the competition solution that you mentioned could work, but it might well be that, for redistricting, capturing the exact tradeoff between looking like "communities of interest" and being completely neutral is a task best left to an independent commission. Of course, one can also dissolve the problem rather than solve it, and employ some PR method which would greatly diminish the incentive to do any gerrymandering in the first place.

My thinking is that it might be easier to agree about the targets rather than the whole procedure. The targets can be simpler to define. Following Raph Franks model it would be thus enough to say that any N points and the kn values and then derive the border lines and the jointly agreed value of the solution from this data. That would not leave much space for strategies and gerrymandering. The proposed solutions would be evaluated and the one with best value would be declared the winner.

The optimization procedures may not find the global optimum (but only one of the local optima), but if there is an algorithm that can find the global optimum then that solution will also be found. It is possible that some party (that runs some optimization procedures) would not publish the best solution it found (since the second best is better to this party) but the field would be free for anyone else to find that even better result. At some point one must freeze the solution and ignore any better solution that someone might find later. In most cases I guess it is quite improbable that better solutions would be found later. And if they are found then they might not be much better (probably true for most sensible criteria). No rules are needed for the optimization algorithm (= just let the scientists and politicians and private citizens do their best + maybe arrange some official calculations too to make sure that at least someone makes a serious attempt to find the best solution).

Juho




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