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On Jan 14, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Jonathan Lundell wrote:

We know that we can't have a system with all the properties that we might independently desire. Consequently, we compare systems overall, looking not just at their list of properties met and unmet, but at the implications for voter behavior, nomination, campaigns, and so on.

Those implications have been widely discussed on this list, and I won't try to repeat those discussions. Suffice it to say that to elevate a single criterion, CW or LNH or other, to the sole criterion by which we judge methods just doesn't cut it.

with a single winner election (like mayor or some other executive, or a single representative), the elected candidate should be considered "better" or "superior" to every other, any other, candidate propped up against him/her. if it's not about democracy, then we can think up other tests of merit, like a written civil-service like exam. or age or years of experience. or we could get Machiavellian about it and give it to the candidate with more guns and fighters. or we could have them arm wrestle or throw darts. but, i cannot imagine, in a democracy, a criterion for "better" other than preferred by more voters than voters who prefer the other candidate.

with the arbitrary assumption pleasing the majority is better than pleasing the minority, i don't understand what other arbitrary value trumps that of electing the Condorcet winner if such exists. pathologies can happen in a cycle, but, as i have wondered aloud here before, i wonder how often it would really happen for a Condorcet cycle to occur in real elections.

simply, if a Condorcet winner exists, and your election authority elevates to office someone else, that elected person is rejected by a majority of the electorate. what other democratic value papers over that flaw? LNH? monotonicity?

like the popular vote is the gold standard we use to judge how well the Electoral College does, it seems to me that the Condocet criterion is the gold standard to use to judge how well some other method works. in both cases it seems logical to ditch the "experimental" method and just use the gold standard.

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