> Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:14:23 -0500 > From: robert bristow-johnson <r...@audioimagination.com> > To: EM Methods <election-methods@lists.electorama.com> > Subject: Re: [EM] IRV vs Plurality (Dave Ketchum) >> >> Don't know what you're talking about. > > consider Burlington 2009 with the inconsequential candidates Simpson > and "write-in" eliminated and very real (but otherwise last) > candidate Dan Smith eliminated. that least Wright, Montroll, and > Kiss. with only those three left, these are the pile counts of the > only salient permutations of marked ballots: > > 1332 M>K>W > 767 M>W>K > 455 M > 2043 K>M>W > 371 K>W>M > 568 K > 1513 W>M>K > 495 W>K>M > 1289 W > > now, Kathy, ask yourself why there are no piles marked just M>K or > M>W or K>M or K>W or W>M or W>K? (those are the 6 piles you want to > enumerate in your 15.)
Robert, Your slip is showing again. Exactly as I tried to point out to you, you were either disallowing voters to rank only two candidates or to rank all three. I see I was correct and you are disallowing voters to rank only two candidates and have, as Abd ul also pointed out to you, left 3 choose 2 or 6 possible choices out of your list. Unfortunately for your system of disallowing voters to rank only two choices, US courts would rule that any such ballots where voters rank only two choices as legal votes that must be counted, so you cannot have a voting system in the US which disallows those choices. > > >> All your formulas are incorrect. > > and, since you don't understand your opponent's argument, then your > evaluation of it is authoritative. Robert I just proved you wrong, as did Abd ul earlier. So please try again if you think your other formula is correct, because mathematically provably both your formulas are obviously incorrect to any election methods expert on this list or any mathematician or probabilist, not just to me. Reality is a really nice place Robert. I invite you sincerely to join us in the real world. -- Kathy Dopp Town of Colonie, NY 12304 phone 518-952-4030 cell 518-505-0220 http://utahcountvotes.org http://electionmathematics.org http://kathydopp.com/serendipity/ Realities Mar Instant Runoff Voting http://electionmathematics.org/ucvAnalysis/US/RCV-IRV/InstantRunoffVotingFlaws.pdf Voters Have Reason to Worry http://utahcountvotes.org/UT/UtahCountVotes-ThadHall-Response.pdf Checking election outcome accuracy --- Post-election audit sampling http://electionmathematics.org/em-audits/US/PEAuditSamplingMethods.pdf ---- Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info