On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[email protected]> wrote: > At 12:39 AM 3/7/2010, Kathy Dopp wrote: >> >> I've posted the latest plaintiffs' legal brief here. Plaintiffs >> Francisco rank only three version of IRV. >> >> http://kathydopp.com/wordpress/?cat=8 > > It is actually brilliant. Yes; limited. My view is that IRV is generally > constitutional. I.e., if top two runoff is constitutional, full-ranking IRV > is constitutional.
Top-two allows *all* voters the opportunity to participate in the final election of who will govern, so is IMO clearly more constitutional than IRV which fails constitutionality in at least three ways: 1. fails to allow all voters to participate in the final decision-making process by excluding voters from the last round 2. fails to treat all voters' ballots equally, counting the 2nd and lower rank choices of some, but not all, voters 3. fails to provide voters with knowledge of the effect (positive or negative) of their votes on the candidates they rank due to its nonmonotonicity. Top-two runoff treats all voters equally, allows all voters to participate, and allows all voters to cast a ballot with a positive effect on a candidate's chances of winning, (I.e. voters know which candidate they are helping to win each election.) > They've hit on a technicality, the loss of equal > treatment of voters if the voter can't rank enough candidates, but as they > point out, the deprivation of equal treatment can be quite small and be > unconstitutional. > > And there is a quick fix, of course. Instant Runoff Approval Voting. Allow > the voters to mark as many candidates as they choose in each of the three > ranks. Then use Bucklin procedure. And make this a primary round, hold a > runoff if there is no true majority found. What this will do is to eliminate > *most* runoff elections. Not all. It's just a more efficient way of finding > a majority in the primary. The same trick could be done with IRV, but, note > this: IRV no longer would satisfy later-no-harm, and IRV does not count all > the votes. Unless all the votes *are* counted, which would mean that one > would count lower ranked votes against non-eliminated higher-ranked > candidates. Bucklin does it much better and because there are no > eliminations in the primary rounds, it finds a candidate who is supported by > more voters than any other. Because of the runff, voters need not, in the > primary, support someone who is the "least evil." They can vote sincerely. > They can bullet vote if they want. They can add alternate preferences if > they'd prefer these to a runoff (or if they'd want to see them get into a > runoff). They choose. I agree with you and find no objection to Bucklin method or most other alternative voting methods that treat all voters' equally and is thus precinct-summable, but don't have time to thoroughly study it now. Interesting that this idea allows putting as many candidates as desired into a limited number of slots. I like that on first glance. The Condorcet method would still be easy to count in that case too since an n x n matrix (where n = # candidates) would still work just fine. > > From my analysis, IRV, however, would not find a majority in most of the > elections that went to instant runoff in San Francisco, and Bucklin would > find it it in maybe half. But Bucklin is far less expensive to count, it's > precinct summable, just count all the votes in each rank (typically three > ranks were used) and report them separately. They can then be added > together. > > Bucklin was used in a lot of places in the U.S., at one time, pushing 100. > The actual method was only found unconstitutional in one place, Minnesota, > is a decision that was aware it was idiosyncratic. It was popular, the > Minnesotata Supreme Court decision was quite unpopular, the court notes that > in its reconsideration. My guess is that political forces were operating. > Some people did not want a good voting system, it's more difficult to > manipulate. > I like Bucklin. Too bad the MN Supremes shot it down. MN Supremes seem to make consistently poor decisions re. voting systems thus far, although perhaps with an "as-applied" case they'd do better. Cheers, Kathy -- Kathy Dopp http://electionmathematics.org Town of Colonie, NY 12304 "One of the best ways to keep any conversation civil is to support the discussion with true facts." Realities Mar Instant Runoff Voting http://electionmathematics.org/ucvAnalysis/US/RCV-IRV/InstantRunoffVotingFlaws.pdf Voters Have Reason to Worry http://utahcountvotes.org/UT/UtahCountVotes-ThadHall-Response.pdf Checking election outcome accuracy http://electionmathematics.org/em-audits/US/PEAuditSamplingMethods.pdf ---- Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info
