Kathy Dopp was replying to Jameson Quinn, in a thread begun with the title: [EM] Multiwinner Bucklin - proportional, summable (n^3), monotonic (if fully-enough ranked)

Difficult summability creates difficulties with auditing election results, which is Kathy's concern. There is a limit to such difficulties, because all canvassing methods will work with sum-of-ballot-type data, and even if every ballot were unique, then the data from each precinct is still transmissible. If such data is public, and if raw ballot images (real images!) are provided, the public can, and I believe, will audit results such that every ballot is redundantly counted and confirmed. That was my Public Ballot Imaging concept I put forward some time ago. (Allowing election observers to photograph ballots and put up the images obtained. They can see them already, why not allow them to share their seeing?)

Short of public ballot imaging, which bypasses the question of who watches the watchers, summability remains important.

Bucklin is, of course, easily summable, needing only the totals of votes for each candidate divided into the ranks (generally three, though a Range ballot could be used with more ranks). The rules would need to provide for counting each vote at the highest rank found, and then disregarding it if the vote is repeated in the lower ranks. If voting machines are used, the multiple votes that would locked out would be these additional votes. I.e., the machine would treat each candidate as a vote-for-one "race," so that any candidate gets 1st, 2nd, or 3rd rank, as a choice, with the default, no vote, being the fourth rank. Voters are thus separating candidates into two broad groups: approved (a vote at some rank) and not-approved (no vote.)

And within the approved rank, voters can pick one of three choices for each candidate: Favorite(s), Worst of the Approved, and (Better than worst and less than favorite).

It is a very simply system to vote, and bullet voting is quite appropriate for many voters, and voting strategy for the rest is intuitively simple.

I find it fascinating that what I've come to conclude is the best practical voting system, which effectively considers preference strength and thus resembles Range Voting (the best theoretical system, if somehow we could know absolute utilities and use them), was actually invented and used in the United States about a century ago! And widely.

And what happened to it is a story that I certainly would like to hear. There has been no comprehensive study, it is as if the method just vanished. I suspect was that the problem was that it worked, and that those who didn't like having a voting system that worked, who benefit from the well-known problems of plurality and top-two runoff, simply exercised their power. None of this should prevent small communities from trying out Bucklin, and the only change appropriate now over, say, the Duluth method is that instead of allowing multiple voting in third rank only, it should be allowed in all ranks. There is no reason to force voters to choose between two candidates that the voter considers both excellent, for example. If the voter has some preference, the voter is free to vote it without harm. But I think the idea that "voting" is about choosing your favorite, vote-for-one only, was very strong.

As noted, there are ways to use Bucklin for proportional representation, just as there are ways to use Approval, Range, or STV.

Kathy, STV is, of course, IRV, and thus subject to the same pathologies, but STV is bitten by these to a much lesser degree because of the multiple elections. Absolutely, there are better proportional representation methods, the shining star, but still untested in public elections, is Asset Voting. (Technically, it can be implemented with STV, though I think the complication is unnecessary, vote for one actually works fine with Asset.)

The place where voting system science and voting integrity concerns meet is in the slogan: Count All the Votes. This means counting, and using, "overvotes," in a fair manner. It means counting and reporting all votes in an IRV election, not just those needed to determine the winner under STV counting rules. And once that is being done, it will be seen that IRV pathologies actually do strike in real elections, and the fact that IRV can, and does, fail to elect a Condorcet winner, instead electing someone who would have lost in a direct face-off, will lead to a desire for better methods.

Count All the Votes. Should be start printing bumper stickers? Approval Voting/Election Integrity.

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