I sent this to NY Greens:
Glad to see more thinking.

Agree that PR needs consideration for legislatures. For single seat we need careful thought as to where to go if leaving Plurality.

Plurality NEEDS primaries to attend to clones within parties - and primaries are not enough when clones get nominated in multiple parties.

IRV allows good voter response when there are clones.

Condorcet allows voters to respond a bit better, for it allows equal ranking with the same ranked voting.

Plurality NEEDS runoffs when counts approach ties. TTR helps, but does not solve here, for the best liked may not get counted as first or second in the voting.

IRV allows voters to express their thoughts, but does not read all that the voters say - see Burlington in 2009, where IRV counted as third the candidate human counters saw as first: After disposing of two minor candidates we see 2981 Kiss, 3294 Wright, 2554 Montroll. With M losing, add 1332 M>K & 767 M>W and Kiss wins, BUT IRV does not see what Condorcet would see:
     Add 2043 K>M & 371 K>W and see M liked better than W or
     Add 1513 W>M & 495 W>K and see M liked better than K,
     Meaning human counters, and Condorcet, can see Montroll deserving.

Are we in a cycle?  No, for M is CW.
Near a M>K>W>M cycle?  Change some M>W to W>M.
Near a M>W>K>M cycle?  Change some K>W & M>K to W>K & K>M.

Condorcet counts all that the voters vote.

But, when is a runoff worth its expense. First, it better be among deserving leaders. TTR gets in trouble in Plurality. IRV got in trouble in Burlington.
     Why not accept near ties, and do such as flip a coin?
How big a lead does the leader need to deserve being called winner without a runoff? Quite a ways with Plurality or IRV; not far with Condorcet, for the voters have expressed their desires more completely and the counters have counted all that their ballots say. Needs careful thought, but I claim for Condorcet that if the lead is too big to deserve getting called a tie, it is big enough to be called a win.

So I claim, for Condorcet, not needing primaries or runoffs, election should be done in one day, in November.

Write-ins? Should be permitted for those not nominated, and counted as if nominated.

CA Proposition 14? I have seen different descriptions of what this is but if it involves Plurality, TTR, or IRV, I have written against such above.

Dave Ketchum


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