I'm sorry, I can't find the message that I'm replying to. It was by an apparent 
IRV
advocate.

He said that claims about IRV's problems are "theoretical" or "hypothetical", 
and have never
been observed. Of course that isn't true.

In Australia, where IRV has been in use for a long time, various people have 
reported to us on EM
that it isn't at all unusual for voters to bury their favorite to top-rank a 
compromise, so as not to
"waste their vote". Sound familiar? That's what is done in Plurality, in this 
country, by everyone who 
doesn't consider the Democrat and Republican the best.

And, in Australia, as here, there remains a two-party system, a political 
system with two large parties who
always win. Here, that's the result of Plurality. Given the way people vote in 
Australia, and the
reason that they give, that might be why Australia, too, has a two-party system.

Theoretical or hypothetical? IRV's compromise-elimination problem is blatantly 
obvious:

All it requires is that candidate-strength (favoriteness) taper gradually away 
from the middle sincere CW.

That's hardly an unusual state of affairs. 

Under those conditions, eliminations begin at the extremes, and transfers send 
votes inwards, till the candidates
flanking that middle CW accumulate enough votes to easily eliminate hir.

We'll never know how often that happens unless the raw rankings are available 
from IRV elections. But it 
must happen quite often, given the common state of affairs that is its 
reqirement.

Andy himself implied an admission that voters in IRV should be advised that 
sometimes it's necessary
to bury their favorite, to top-rank a compromise.

Do we want a method that needs that?  Do we want that when there are plenty of 
methods that don't force
that favorite-burial strategy?

Mike Ossipoff

                                          
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