On 2/21/12 1:45 PM, Richard Fobes wrote:
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On 2/20/2012 5:18 AM, Raph Frank wrote:
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> I assume you mean campaign contribution reform?  That isn't actually
> an election method.

Nope.

As I see it, using better ballots and better counting methods will cut the puppet strings that connect politicians to their biggest campaign contributors.

boy, that's certainly not a tautology. you sure the apples and oranges are not independent axis. i don't see IRV or Condorcet or SODA or whatever is the flavor of the month changing the pressure to spend money on getting one's message out (and possibly jack-hammering it into the heads of the gullible). if a major candidate does not spend money of visibility and the opportunity to frame the debate and promote the campaign's message, that candidate's opponents (who are also a major party with access to money).

What will reform it is coercive law limiting contributions and spending (not likely in the U.S. until some nasty Supreme Court justices die and go away) and transparency so that we can all watchdog each other.

The main reason money matters so much (in politics) is that money can be used to win elections through vote splitting

no, sometimes money is used to reverse votes, even in multiparty or simple two-party contexts. campaigns and PACs can pour a truckload of money on top of a race both to convert voters away from a major candidate's major opponent, but also to shift votes from a minor candidate to this candidate.

(in primary elections), gerrymandering (which affects general elections), and media influence. Vote splitting and gerrymandering will disappear when well-designed voting methods are used. Then money won't matter as much. (Media influence will continue, but voters can ignore it.)

but they can't ignore saturation advertising. gotta be deaf to ignore a jack-hammer. that's what money can pay for no matter what the election method is.

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