Instructions for how to make a method look bad:

Contrive an example in which the main contending candidates barely differ
by the method's own standard, but in which those candidates differ humungously 
and outrageously
by some other standard. In order to achieve the latter condition as strongly as 
possible, it's typically
necessary that the candidates are within one vote of eachother, in terms of the 
method's standard.

Then say, "Look how wrongly that method can choose!" Try to sound especially 
outraged when you say that,
as some here are already practiced at doing.

And yes, it's true: In Kevin's MMPO bad-example, A, B, and C do almost 
identically, in terms of MMPO's
own standard. No choice would be significantly worse than another in terms of 
that standard.

But, in terms of the favoriteness standard, they differ drastically and 
dramatically. 

Has someone followed my above-supplied instructions? Sure. To the letter.

So, because the candidates don't significantly differ by MMPO's standard, but 
differ outrageously
by the favoriteness standard, guess which standard we notice? Yes, intuitively, 
you look at that
and say that A or B should win. The winner should come from [A,B ]. In other 
words, if A doesn't
win, then B should win. If B doesn't win, then A should win.

You know it. I know it.

Problem: The voters don't think so. (Remember them?)

Why don't the voters think so? Because that's necessary in order to create the 
favoriteness-outrageous outcome
of Kevin's MMPO bad-example. 

Early on in the discussion of that example, I asked who was wronged in that 
bad-example.

Someone answered that the [A,B ] voters as a whole, were collectively wronged. 

But, as I discussed in my previous post about this, the A voters couldn't care 
less whether B or C wins. Therefore,
it's a bit creative to say that they're wronged because B didn't win instead of 
C. C won precisely because and only
because the A voters didn't care about B vs C, and the B voters didn't care 
about A vs C.

In fact, strictly speaking, if you took a poll among the A voters, between B 
and C, C would win that poll.

It's obviously fallacious to speak of [A,B] as a "person" who has been 
wronged--a resort of desperation needed 
because no one can point to a particular individual who was wronged.

Mike Ossipoff



                                          
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