On 4/14/2012 5:42 AM, Andrew Myers wrote:
On 4/14/12 8:31 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
On 4/14/12 3:45 AM, ?U(alabio? wrote:
¡Hello!
¿How fare you?
It is tedious to rank hundreds of candidates, but sometimes monster
is on the ballot and all unranked candidates are last. If the field
is so polarized that the voters idiotically refuse to rank other
serious candidates other than their candidate and the evil candidate
has followers, the bad candidate might win. I suggest that Condorcet
should have a dummy-candidate:
0 The ranked candidates.
1 The unranked candidates.
2 The dummy-canditate.
3 The monsters.
All unranked candidates have higher ranks than the monsters. One can
then rank the monsters by how terrible they are.
Basically, it is a way to vote against monsters in Condorcet without
having to rank all of the hundreds of also-rans.
all this is complicated crap that gunks up elections. it has an
ice-cube's chance in hell.
I've been observing experimentally how people use a Condorcet election
system in practice over the past ten years (since 2003) and in fact
the use of a dummy candidate to signal approval has become
increasingly common. It seems to be intuitive, at least to web users,
and effective. I do agree that trying to distinguish 0 vs. 1 is
probably overly complicated.
-- Andrew
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You could say "Rank all candidates you approve of" or even "List the
candidates you like in order of preference. Ignore all other
candidates." Such a ballot would be easier for the average voter to
understand and fill out. If there are fifteen people running for office,
and you like three, hate three, and don't know anything about the
remaining nine, you can just say the equivalent of A>B>C, and ignore the
rest. No dummy candidate would be necessary Sure, it wouldn't give as
much information as a ballot that has all of the candidates ranked, but
it would make certain forms of strategic voting (such as burying) more
tedious and less attractive.
Then just use the ballots to find the Condorcet winner. Such a ballot
could be used with Approval-Completed Condorcet or Ranked Approval
Voting, or any other completion method that takes into account Approval
votes. For example, you could say "If there is a cycle, compare the two
candidates with the lowest Approval score in the cycle, and drop the
pairwise loser. Continue until there is a single winner." Or whatever.
Mike Rouse
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