I choke when I see IRV called "fine" - it too easily ignores parts of what the voters say. For example, look at what can happen with A being much liked, yet IRV not always noticing:

20 A
20 B>A
22 C>A
Joe ?

Condorcet would see A elected by 62 votes (plus, perhaps, Joe's 63rd). IRV would be affected by Joe's vote:
.     A - 63 votes with B and C discarded.
.     B - 22 for C after 20A and 21B&20A discarded.
.     C - 23 votes with A and B discarded.

DWK

On Apr 14, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Michael Ossipoff wrote:
I said:

"With an electorate that doesn't need FBC, and who are clear and honest
with themselves about
what they consider to be acceptable--that's when and how FBC can be a
fine method.

"...because it is entirely defection-proof, and because it meets the
Mutual Majority Criterion."

Of couse, when I said "FBC" the 2nd time, near he end of that 1st paragraph, I meant "IRV".

Mike Ossipoff


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